Why isn't guaranteed maternity leave a "pro-life" imperative?

[KJW5551]

And most are also single, unmarried, and have likely not stepped inside a church in years. Our culture must change dramatically. A stable family is the basis of society; always has been and always will be.

 

[Pup7]

Pup7:

phil19034:

Pup7:

JanSobieskiIII:

Do you want to see women quit getting hired for jobs? Because that’s how you see women quit getting hired for jobs.

Because of maternity leave?

That’s discrimination, and it’s illegal, and if the numbers of women being hired dropped, it would be obvious that that was happening.

It’s not stopping women from being recruited.

Yes, it’s illegal. However, I’ve heard from people in Germany that while it’s illegal to discriminate based on sex, in practice it’s more difficult for a young woman to get a job because employees (esp smaller businesses) will often hire a man because they fear the paid maternity leave.

I’m all for paid leave. However, the problem with a mandated, blanket approach is that it has a negative effect when it comes to small businesses.

Large corporations… mandate the heck out of them for paid leave. But, we have to be careful with small businesses and niche / technical professions where it’s not possible to hire a temp to cover.

The corporations can afford to cover the leave, and a lot of them are doing it already to be competitive. But the small startups and small businesses, which already can’t complete with large businesses in terms of benefits, could suffer and find ways (like in Germany) to hire men.

NOTE: I don’t have a source for what I said about Germany. Most of it came from a Quora thread regarding which place is better to live, Germany or the United States. After listing a ton a reasons why Germany was better than the US, this German did mention that young women have a harder time in Germany getting a job than in the US and that the US is better for small business owners.

In the U.K., it’s paid by tax revenue. My understanding is that’s how it’s paid for in most places. Taxes.

But what do businesses do when they loose their employee for X amount of time, eps in jobs where hiring a temp isn’t realistic?

That is a very valid question.

In my world we suck it up, to be honest, but for a tiny employer that would be difficult.

Partial subsidy for temps?

It’s a good question and I’ll own that piece didn’t enter my head. I’ll ask my relatives what they do over there and how it’s covered.

Good point.

 

[1john418]

Here’s the thing, though. It is a whole lot easier to change policy to improve a woman’s access to PML than it is to change the culture.

 

[phil19034]

phil19034:

Pup7:

JanSobieskiIII:
In the U.K., it’s paid by tax revenue. My understanding is that’s how it’s paid for in most places. Taxes.

But what do businesses do when they loose their employee for X amount of time, eps in jobs where hiring a temp isn’t realistic?

That is a very valid question.

In my world we suck it up, to be honest, but for a tiny employer that would be difficult.

Partial subsidy for temps?

It’s a good question and I’ll own that piece didn’t enter my head. I’ll ask my relatives what they do over there and how it’s covered.

Good point.

But the issue regarding temps isn’t just how to pay for it, but what if the job is so specialized that hiring a temp isn’t realistic due to the job requirements. Meaning, the time it takes to bring a temp up to speed is long and the time to transfer information from the temp to the returning employee is difficult.

So in those instances, the business “sucks it up” and makes due without. But this can be a burden to fellow employees, esp if they are already overworked.

That’s why I feel that this is an issue best suited for the States or Counties. They are better suited to investigate situations that required exceptions and investigate abuse.

 

[Pup7]

Well somehow Europe and Canada pull this off. It’s not as if we’re the only nation on the planet with technical jobs and high levels of specialization.

It gets done everywhere else.

 

[TheLittleLady]

“Statistics” thrown out by politicians as debate talking points? Seriously? That is your source?

In honest debate, when someone tosses out a statistic, they should be able to cite their source. A real source.

 

[Monica83]

I thought we did have more specialists here, especially in the medical field.

 

[Pup7]

Specialists isn’t a medical exclusive term, though.

He means jobs like aerospace engineers, airline pilots, electrical engineers, software designers - highly specialized fields. He’s right in saying you can’t always just go out and grab a temp from an agency. I’m definitely going to ask my inlaws when I can how it’s done in the U.K. I’m all kinds of curious now.

 

[TheLittleLady]

Really?

Seventeen percent of abortion patients in 2014 identified as mainline Protestant, 13% as evangelical Protestant and 24% as Catholic; 38% reported no religious affiliation and the remaining 8% reported some other affiliation. (Source Jerman J, Jones RK and Onda T, Characteristics of U.S. Abortion Patients in 2014 and Changes Since 2008, New York: Guttmacher Institute, 2016, https://www.guttmacher.org/fact-sheet/induced-abortion-united-states.)

The very largest group of women who have abortions are poor. That is what they have in common. Poverty.

Some 75% of abortion patients in 2014 were poor or low-income. Twenty-six percent of patients had incomes of 100–199% of the federal poverty level, and 49% had incomes of less than 100% of the federal poverty level ($15,730 for a family of two). (Same source as above)

 

[Pup7]

{pops popcorn}

Yeah…stereotyping is never a good idea…

And assuming…makes…

 

[TheLittleLady]

There is a mythology that grows around political things that we find uncomfortable. Hard to believe that the streets of Canada are not littered with mounds of bodies from people who cannot be served by universal health care and that the UK does not simply wander about bumping into walls because they give paid maternity leave.

 

[KJW5551]

Since when does identifying as Christian mean they’ve been inside a church? Vast majority of ALL Christians in this country are non-practicing.

And what percentage are unmarried? Pull that statistic for me.

 

[Canvas]

Yeah, low income is one of the most common denominators in abortion statistics.

 

[Monica83]

So those people would qualify for EVERY government subsidy available-housing, food stamps, medicaid, free childcare

 

[TheLittleLady]

Click the link, it gives you a full look at statistics.

Besides, are we REALLY saying that we don’t care of single parents lose their jobs or get evicted because they cannot afford to take time off to have a baby? That because someone does not go to Mass we are okay with their choosing baby or electricity?

 

[Canvas]

THIS. Oh, ten characters.

 

[Pup7]

To be honest - who cares?

That didn’t seem to be the point of the conversation.

Religious affiliation or whether they’ve set foot in a church or how many are unmarried (way to judge, by the way) really doesn’t matter.

Perhaps if they had a way to keep their job they’d rethink an abortion.

 

[Pup7]

Click the link, it gives you a full look at statistics.

Besides, are we REALLY saying that we don’t care of single parents lose their jobs or get evicted because they cannot afford to take time off to have a baby? That because someone does not go to Mass we are okay with their choosing baby or electricity?

For real. This. Ten billion times.

Awful lot of judgy Catholics around today.

 

[Pup7]

Another point - we really don’t promote adoption in this country either. We just don’t. It’s getting better, but I’d love to see some TV commercials promoting adoption as an option and giving contact information.

Get enough cash and you can get anything on TV. The left can go bark up a tree as far as I’m concerned if they get their panties in a wad about that.

 

[KJW5551]

You’re both missing my point, which is that our culture is ill, and we need to remedy it, period.

When did I say they should lose their jobs? Awful lot of “judgy Catholics” here if you ask me

I said that it should be up to the states, which it should, as subsidiarity is a core principal of Catholic Social Teaching.