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TheLittleLady
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We go the other way. We whisper about how scandalous it is to “give up your baby” and how damaged these children are or how grossly expensive adoption is. Adoption IS a pro-life issue.
Why isn't guaranteed maternity leave a "pro-life" imperative?
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KJW5551
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You’re putting words in my mouth. Read my posts in this thread before you vent like that.
Sad.
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Pup7
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You were the one demanding to know how many were unmarried. Saying how they’d likely not been in a church for years. Why? Why is that relevant?You’re both missing my point, which is that our culture is ill, and we need to remedy it, period.
When did I say they should lose their jobs? Awful lot of “judgy Catholics” here if you ask me
I said that it should be up to the states, which it should, as subsidiarity is a core principal of Catholic Social Teaching.
Uh, good girls get into trouble too. So do good boys.
Absolutely none of that is relevant. Pretty judgy…and that was me.
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Pup7
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We’ve got teachers nationwide striking against their states today because the states already pay them peanuts.You’re both missing my point, which is that our culture is ill, and we need to remedy it, period.
When did I say they should lose their jobs? Awful lot of “judgy Catholics” here if you ask me
I said that it should be up to the states, which it should, as subsidiarity is a core principal of Catholic Social Teaching.
You really think states can afford this? Poor states like Alabama, Louisiana, Mississippi? What about the teaching that says the government is obligated to care for its people? That’s not just states. That’s the Feds.
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phil19034
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Yes, but not including Russia (which has 143,964,709 people), the largest nation in Europe (population wise) is Germany with 82,521,653 people. The next largest nation, which isn’t Turkey, is the United Kingdom with 65,233,271 people.
And all pay a ton in taxes. A much larger % of their salaries go to taxes than here.
However, the exception is Canada. People in Canada pay almost as much in federal income taxes as the people in the US (sometimes more, sometimes less), but their Provincial Tax (except Quebec) is part of their Federal taxes. In the US, we have state, county, and local taxes that fluctuate
But Canada has only 35,151,728 people according to their 2016 census, and they pay very little per capita on defense. In the US, we pay a ton in defense and we give a ton of money to other nations.
In order for the US to pay for such things, we would 1st have to dramatically reduce the amount of military support and assistance we give to our allies, like NATO. We would also have to look at ways to reduce our domestic military spending and the amount of money we give foreign governments. Otherwise, we would have to dramatically raise taxes.
List of European countries by population - Wikipedia
Population of Canada - Wikipedia
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Canada vs. U.S. Tax Rates: Do Canadians Pay More?
We look at the difference in taxes on income and services offered on both sides of the border to determine where individuals would be better off financially.
Average Canadians pay 42.5 per cent of their income in taxes: report - National | Globalnews.ca
Canadians pay a whopping 43 per cent of their income in taxes, according to a new report by the Fraser Institute.
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TheLittleLady
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And if anyone has ever sat in a CPC or at a Youth event or at a Abortion Recovery session and watched women who had an abortion because their good Christian parents would disown them, throw them out in the streets, know they had sex, weeping for their lost children, makes one climb down from the judgement seat PDQ
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KJW5551
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Unmarried women getting abortions is symptomatic of the larger problem which is that our culture does not value marriage as it once did.
I never said it was the woman’s fault (it is by definition equally the man AND the woman’s fault). I never said women should be evicted or fired. I only brought up the fact that many abortions are due to lack of marriage (and I should have mentioned, the subsequent lack of financial stability) and that this could be limited by a move back towards strong marriage culture. You and the other one jumped on me for no reason.
I never said it was the woman’s fault (it is by definition equally the man AND the woman’s fault). I never said women should be evicted or fired. I only brought up the fact that many abortions are due to lack of marriage (and I should have mentioned, the subsequent lack of financial stability) and that this could be limited by a move back towards strong marriage culture. You and the other one jumped on me for no reason.
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KJW5551
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Honestly, why don’t you come down from your judgment seat @TheLittleLady. I’m not sure if you’re even reading my posts. It does not seem like it.
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Pup7
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I’m married to a Brit and am familiar with their socialized system.
I know how taxes work as well. It would take tax reform. That’s pretty basic.
I know how taxes work as well. It would take tax reform. That’s pretty basic.
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phil19034
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But those states COULD afford more if they wanted to. But they typically don’t vote for increases in taxes because rural America really doesn’t like voting for more taxes unless they can see details regarding how the money is going be used (which is why they are big on referendums for specific projects).
Point is, it should not be the job of other states to help pay for the programs of a state which refused to raise taxes when necessary.
Whether we like it or not, protests are part of our democracy. If a state isn’t going to pay their teachers well, then they will continue to have strikes. But those strikes often work in the long run, because working voters have to figure out childcare arrangements during those strikes.
Really, you get what you pay for. California shouldn’t have to pay for Mississippi, and vice versa.
But, then again, I identity myself as a Pennsylvanian (and native Delawarean) before I identify as an American. Personally, I would rather pay more taxes on a State level than the federal level.
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Pup7
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The bottom line here is you don’t want it, you don’t believe in it, and you think it’s unnecessary. I don’t need educating on how this could be done.
We need tax reform and we need to clean up health care in this country. If the rest of the world can figure this out, so can we.
You live in DE? You don’t even have sales tax. So called PA “school tax” (which is a de facto property tax) is outrageous (my family is from Philly). Good luck fixing that as well.
Good luck passing any state reform there.
We need tax reform and we need to clean up health care in this country. If the rest of the world can figure this out, so can we.
You live in DE? You don’t even have sales tax. So called PA “school tax” (which is a de facto property tax) is outrageous (my family is from Philly). Good luck fixing that as well.
Good luck passing any state reform there.
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phil19034
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More than tax reform, budget reform and serious change in defense and foreign policy. It would require us to end several treaties which require America to pay X in defense spending (but canceling treaties is something Trump isn’t afraid to do).
I think I would be OK with a lot of that. But I don’t want to pay more in taxes. I’m already in the red while my wife is a stay at home mom with my young ones. But that’s something my wife wanted to do and I support her desire to be a stay at home mom while we have little ones.
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Pup7
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And that’s the point. Not everyone can do that. And women who choose to work or have to work shouldn’t have to worry about that.
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anon10271182
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Yes. For many hundreds of years, Catholic women have had babies (and not abortions) without any maternity leave at all.
Apparently “full time homemaker” is not the cherished and honored role it once was. Maybe that needs to change.
Apparently “full time homemaker” is not the cherished and honored role it once was. Maybe that needs to change.
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KJW5551
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Careful @anon10271182 comments like that can get you branded as a “judgy Catholic” pretty quickly in this thread.
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phil19034
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It’s not that I don’t want it. I would want it done on a state level, not a federal one.
I’m originally from Delaware. But I live in PA, suburban Philly, now.
Delaware doesn’t have sales tax, but they do have a 6.6% income tax on income over $60,000; PA has a flat 3% tax, but there are also township income taxes in PA too.
PA has a ridiculous school district tax because the state pays very little for education. In Delaware, public school teachers are state employees (their pay checks are literally from the State of Delaware) and receive a little bit extra from the local school district. In PA, the public school teachers are school district employees and the majority of their salary is from the district. This causes a vast salary difference between school districts in the state. Some PA school districts pay teaches as much as $50,000 more for teachers with the same education and experience, while in Delaware the biggest difference might be $5000 difference…
My wife was a teacher in PA and my family members are teachers in DE.
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anon10271182
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If not an outright complementarian, lol!
But seriously, would anyone say the Virgin Mary was a failure because she didn’t drop Jesus off at day care and go to work? And she and her blessed guardian Joseph were pretty impoverished.
But seriously, would anyone say the Virgin Mary was a failure because she didn’t drop Jesus off at day care and go to work? And she and her blessed guardian Joseph were pretty impoverished.
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KJW5551
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You are putting words in his mouth. Dishonest and sad.
What you are saying is that this policy can ONLY be put into action by the federal government, which is blatantly out of line with Catholic Social Teaching.
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phil19034
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Again… I want to be clear. I’m 100% in favor of paid paternity leave, for both Mothers and Fathers.
I just want to see the states pay for it, not the federal govt.
I would even be OK with Congress passing a law requiring states to create programs. But, I don’t want it ran on the federal level.
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KathleenT
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The reasons we don’t have mandated paid leave is because we really don’t need it. Most women can use their PTO they have earned with their company or use disability to get part of their salary.
The women who cannot do that generally have jobs which can’t support mandated paid leave anyways. McD’s and comparable jobs aren’t going to be able to afford offering paid leave for what is unskilled labor. In those cases, most of those women have options through the state and federal welfare programs.
We do take care of our own, it just looks different from how the rest of the world does it.
The women who cannot do that generally have jobs which can’t support mandated paid leave anyways. McD’s and comparable jobs aren’t going to be able to afford offering paid leave for what is unskilled labor. In those cases, most of those women have options through the state and federal welfare programs.
We do take care of our own, it just looks different from how the rest of the world does it.
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