Why Isn't There a Palestinian State?

  • Thread starter Thread starter upant
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
U

upant

Guest
the arabs have to repeal the three “no’s”

why isn’t there a palestinian state in gaza now?

it is not an israeli problem!
Script:

If Israel just allowed the Palestinians to have a state of their own, there would be peace in the Middle East, right? That’s what you hear from UN ambassadors, European diplomats and most college professors.

But what if I told you that Israel has already offered the Palestinians a state of their own - and not just once, but on five separate occasions?
Click to expand...

 
There are already two “Palestinian states”; Gaza and Jordan. Gaza is governed by a terrorist organization. Jordan is a majority Palestinian state in which the various factions largely consent to allow a Bedouin royal family to govern because they know factional warfare would be the result if they didn’t.
 
The Israeli’s offered the Palestinian a state in Gaza at the Oslo Accords.

The problem is, Israel, not the Palestinians would control their water supply

Israel, not the Palestinians would have complete control of their sea port.

Israel will continue to cut off Palestinian farmers from going to their own lands on the other side of the security wall.

What sovereign nation would agree to not have control of their water and sea ports and prohibit the production of their own food ?

This is why there is no Palestinian State, fir the Israeli’s won’t allow it,

Jim
 
I can’t agree.

Israel controls much of the water supply because it has more water than Gaza. What country provides its worst enemy with water other than Israel? Israel allows imports, just not the ones Hamas wants most; munitions with which to kill Israelis. Israel cuts off no land in Gaza. Hamas rules the whole place from end to end. And when it comes to food, there’s irony. Israel had a very good irrigated greenhouse system in Gaza that produced a lot of food. When Israel withdrew, Hamas destroyed the system because it was built by Jews. Couldn’t allow its people to eat food grown in greenhouses built by Jews.

And Egypt, not Israel, guards Gaza’s southern border, and for the same reason. Gaza is a terrorist state.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
The Israeli’s offered the Palestinian a state in Gaza at the Oslo Accords.
Click to expand...
and 4 other times with more concessions each time.
JimR-OCDS said:
The problem is, Israel, not the Palestinians would control their water supply

Israel, not the Palestinians would have complete control of their sea port.
Click to expand...
hamas controls gaza totally. the blockade is for security reasons, but really nonsense since the arabs could flow all the aid and ARMS they want through the egyptian border. why won’t egypt or the rest of the arab world help these people. they have an avenue!
JimR-OCDS said:
This is why there is no Palestinian State, fir the Israeli’s won’t allow it,
Click to expand...
not really, it is because of the THREE NO’s
“no peace,” “no negotiations” and “no recognition” of Israel.
Click to expand...
 
upant said:
the arabs could flow all the aid and ARMS they want through the egyptian border.
Click to expand...
I don’t think that’s correct. Egypt blockades the border with Gaza because it doesn’t want terrorists to come in through that border, or allow arms to go in. Islamic radicals have killed Egyptians in Sinai, including Egyptian soldiers and civilians, and it is at least believed that some of them came from Gaza.

I don’t think Hamas is all that popular with Arab leaders in the region.
 
Ridgerunner said:
I don’t think that’s correct. Egypt blockades the border with Gaza because it doesn’t want terrorists to come in through that border, or allow arms to go in. Islamic radicals have killed Egyptians in Sinai, including Egyptian soldiers and civilians, and it is at least believed that some of them came from Gaza.

I don’t think Hamas is all that popular with Arab leaders in the region.
Click to expand...
no, it is true “they could”.

they don’t for the reasons you state.

this is also why israel has a blockade.
 
JimR-OCDS said:
Yeah Israel allows imports, that’s why Israeli air force attacked a US Naval Ship.
Click to expand...
How does one follow the other? This just seems like trying to shut down the thread by using inflammatory rhetoric.
 
Yeah, yeah, yeah. That happened half a century ago. The reason you being this up is that you have nothing more recent.
 
So we can just turn a blind-eye to the Israeli government’s treatment of Christian Palestinians, eh ?

OH wait, most Americans think Palestinians are Muslims and fair game.

Jim
 
In what way is Israel mistreating Palestinian Christians per se? It seems to me that they are suffering the same situation as Palestinians in general?
 
Last edited:
I did not know about the permits, and certainly people should not be beaten without cause.

However, one quote from the article struck me: “Palestinians do not need a foreign occupation force to control their movements; all they need is a just peace that will lead to understanding and coexistence. This just peace can only begin by ending 46 years of Israeli occupation and colonization, leading to two sovereign and democratic states — Israel and Palestine…”

The problem with their being two states has been caused by Palestinian Moslem lack of willingness to agreeto proposals. There could have been a two-state agreement under Arafat, if he had not blocked it because of the issue of right to return for Palestinian Moslems, some of whom had been in the area for only 2years in 1948.

The insistence on 1967 borders is also a problem.

The Palestinians have been used as pawns by the rest of the ME for decades; their young men have been killed in the intifadas, etc.,. It is a bad situation.

But let me ask you a question: An approximately equal number of Jewish people left Arab lands around the same time. UNWRA twice officially stated that these people were refugees. And yet there is no similar problem with Jewish refugees. Why is that?
 
The Palestinians have nothing to give. They live in a desert and have no water source, nor control over their own ports.

In the Oslo Accords, the Israeli’s refused to give Palestinians control of their water and ports. Arafat walked out because the Israeli government refused to stop the construction of Jewish Settlements and further displacement of Palestinians.

What is happening to the Palestinians is akin to what happened to the Native Americans.

Yes, Jews left Arab lands to migrate to Israel, but they had a place to go to. Not so the Palestinians who have been living in exiled refugee camps since 1948.

Had Americans understood that Palestinians included Christians, they would not have been so eager to turn a blind eye toward Israeli policies.

Also, Palestinians are suppose to get $20 million per year in US Aid. The problem is, the Israeli government controls that aid and they haven’t been giving the money to the Palestinians.

Yet, Israel now gets $4 billion annually from the US.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
nor control over their own ports.
Click to expand...
the port of gaza is also blockaded by egypt.

do you have the same issues with egypt as you do with israel?
JimR-OCDS said:
Not so the Palestinians who have been living in exiled refugee camps since 1948.
Click to expand...
many of the arabs on the ground left willingly. they heeded the arab leaders’ calls to get out of the way of the advancing armies. they all thought it would be a glorious arab victory and the refugees would have a share in the spoils. it didn’t turn out that way. they picked the losing side.

the problem is and will continue to be the three no’s. only when the arabs give up the three no’s will there be peace
 
Egypt blocked the port as Jewish Settlements were being constructed in Gaza and the ports were being used to import material for those settlements. This has ended and the Israeli government tore those settlements down. Too bad they don’t have the same policy for the West Bank. But injustice, whether by Egyptians or Israel is wrong and must be opposed.

Also, the myth that the Palestinians left their homes during the war in 1948 without a desire to return to them is one played out by the Israeli Zionists.

Yes, many left to get out of harms way, but they expected to be able to return to their homes, but were denied by the Israeli government after war. Others decided to stay because they didn’t trust that they would be able to return. For them, Israeli troops gave them minutes to pack their belongings and get out. They too were not allowed to return. Instead, they were driven to the edge of Gaza and told to get out of the trucks and walk toward Egypt. Of course the Egyptians blocked them from crossing into Egypt.

After the war, when some Palestinians did return to their homes, they found them occupied by Jews who had migrated from Europe.

The book, “The Lemon Tree,” by Sandy Tolan, tells the story of a Palestinian boy and his family, who were forced out of their home and a Jewish girl who moved into that home with her family. They later met as the boy went to his house and met the Jewish girl at the door. She graciously invited the boy and his cousin in, as she knew who they were. In fact the Jewish girl served him and his cousin lemon aid made from the lemon’s picked off the tree his grandfather planted decades before. Hence the title of the book. The two became friends and she tried to justify her family taking over the house from the Palestinians. As she told the story, her family along with other Jews who had taken occupancy in other Palestinians houses, the Arabs left willingly and would not return. Of course she learned that this was a lie. But by then, things were out of control with terrorists attacks and other acts of violence.

Turning a blind eye to the injustice to support Israel, doesn’t make one a better Christian, just a Christian who follows an unjust ideology. However, this isn’t truth and certainly not faith.

Jim
 
JimR-OCDS said:
The Palestinians have nothing to give.
Click to expand...
The Palestinians can give up their allegiance with Hamas, et al…and their desire to kill all Jews and to wipe Israel off the planet.

In return, Israel has offered a 2 state solution.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top