Why Jesus did not openly say this: "I AM GOD'

[sudy]

But the Holy Spirit is omniscient. Why would only the Father know the day or hour, but the Holy Spirit would not know the day or hour?

Here’s a theory… I’m not sure what the official teaching is though so please bear with me.

At this stage, the Holy Spirit hadn’t been revealed to the disciples - just as they didn’t know about the Son from the beginning.

Jesus said in John 16, ‘I have more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now.’ If you recall, the people fell down when Jesus revealed himself as I AM; it was too much for them. The Holy Spirit was only known to them after they understood who Jesus was and is. I believe the Holy Spirit did know, but the disciples did not know of the Holy Spirit, and that wasn’t the appropriate time to tell them about the Holy Spirit. They were still only learning about the Son… and realizing who he was/is… if you recall Thomas’ declaration of ‘My Lord and my God.’ Until the resurrection they had not fully understood him.

In John 16, we are told that the Spirit will guide us into all truth. Our learning is a gradual process.

 

[PNEUMA]

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Whoever said the Holy Spirit inside Jesus, is Jesus ?

Matthew 10:20

“for it is not you who speak, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.”

This shouldn’t be that difficult to understand ?

God is a good spirit that wants to speak and work through you, like he spoke and worked through Jesus.Maybe I misunderstood what you were saying but this upper quote seemed to me like you were saying that the Holy Spirit inside Jesus, is who Jesus is… as though Jesus wasn’t a person of the Holy Trinity in his own right.

As to the Matthew quote, that is to us for when we are persecuted…

Just as the Father spoke and worked through Jesus, he speaks and works through the Christians.

John 14:12 Very truly, I tell you, the one who believes in me will also do the works that I do and, in fact, will do greater works than these, because I am going to the Father.

 

[sudy]

May I ask you what you believe? I’m sure you know what my position is as it clearly states that I’m Catholic at the top I’m just trying to understand where you’re coming from. I feel like you’re using Scripture to explain something but I’m not seeing the overall picture …and let’s face it, there is an overall picture.

What exactly do you understand God to be?
Do you believe in the Holy Trinity?
What exactly do you see Jesus as being? I mean, can you explain what you suppose his origin to be in detail, and can you explain what you see him being at the present moment?

I’d really appreciate knowing where you’re coming from with this as it’s like discussing something using simple one-liners without getting to the root of the issue. If we’re to have a serious debate/discussion on something, I’d prefer it if we had our cards on the table, so to speak.

 

[PNEUMA]

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JB Brother 4446;13810420:

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John 14:28 the Father is greater than I

So does John contradict himself when he says the Word is God? God is the perfect community of love in three Divine Persons: The Father, The Son, and the Holy Spirit. God is Three in One.No it’s just you that read “the Jesus is God” when it says "the Word is God"John goes on to say “The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us.” Jesus is the Word, the Word is God, therefore Jesus is God…

God’s words materialized into Jesus Christ, that’s what it says.

 

[sudy]

God’s words materialized into Jesus Christ, that’s what it says.

God’s Word does materialize into Jesus Christ as God is spirit. The Word became flesh. However, the bible tells us lots of things. How do you account for Jesus speaking to the Father and referring to the Father? How do you account for this Genesis verse?

Genesis 1:26 God said, 'Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves…

May I ask how you interpret this Philippians verse?

Philippians 2 Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus, Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grapsed. Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness…

Please understand that I’m not trying to attack you views, I’m simply trying to understand them.

 

[Lea101]

my knowledge is that if he said that, he would be killed way before he could teach the Jews whatever he wanted to teach. So he gave little and big hints (“I am”, etc) and his resurrection was like the final “I am God”

 

[PNEUMA]

May I ask how you interpret this Philippians verse?

Philippians 2 Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus, Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grapsed. Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness…

Please understand that I’m not trying to attack you views, I’m simply trying to understand them.

You do understand that, if you are in the form of God or equal to God, you’re not God himself ?

 

[sudy]

You do understand that, if you are in the form of God or equal to God, you’re not God himself ?

Actually no, I’m sorry but I don’t understand that. If you are in the form of God, and equal to God, and One with God… to me this is God. We know there is only one God.

Could you explain how you understand it please? What is he if he’s in the form of God and equal to God and one with God?

 

[PNEUMA]

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God’s words materialized into Jesus Christ, that’s what it says.

God’s Word does materialize into Jesus Christ as God is spirit. The Word became flesh. However, the bible tells us lots of things. How do you account for Jesus speaking to the Father and referring to the Father?

Easy, he is not God the Father himself

John 20:17 “go to my brothers and say to them, “I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God”

 

[sudy]

I appreciate that he’s not God the Father. In my poor way of thinking, it’s like air… if you in the form of air, and equal to air, and one with air… this is air. Or water, if you are in the form of water and equal to water and one with water… this is water.

Jesus had emptied himself to become like us in everything but sin.

What say you to him being God the Son?

Edit: and another question. If Jesus is not God, why did he not correct Thomas when he said, ‘My Lord and my God’?

 

[PNEUMA]

I appreciate that he’s not God the Father. In my poor way of thinking, it’s like air… if you in the form of air, and equal to air, and one with air… this is air. Or water, if you are in the form with water and equal to water and one with water… this is water.

Jesus had emptied himself to become like us in everything but sin.

What say you to him being God the Son?

God the Father is air in motion (breath), the breath of a human.

John 20:22 “he breathed on them and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit.”

God the Father is spirit, Jesus is not.

 

[PNEUMA]

Edit: and another question. If Jesus is not God, why did he not correct Thomas when he said, ‘My Lord and my God’?

Because God the Father is inside Jesus, right in front of Thomas

God the Father is spirit, Jesus is not.

 

[sudy]

Well, we know that in Genesis they were ‘we’ not ‘I’.
We know that Jesus emptied himself of his God form… I’m not sure how you understand this verse yet.
We know that ‘The Father and [Jesus] are one’
We know that Jesus did not correct Thomas when he said ‘My Lord and my God’

How do you know Jesus is not spirit before he became man?

 

[sudy]

Because God the Father is inside Jesus, right in front of Thomas

Although I agree that God the Father is with Jesus, what Jesus actually said is ‘you believe because you can see me’

 

[PNEUMA]

How do you know Jesus is not spirit before he became man?

The whole story about Jesus being a spirit, ended with the gnostic movement

 

[sudy]

In Revelation 1, Jesus said, 'Do not be afraid; it is I, the First and the Last, I am the Living One, I was dead and look-I am alive for ever and ever…

In Isaiah 44 it says ‘Thus says the LORD, Israel’s King and redeemer, the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; there is no God but me.’

I think this clearly indicates that Jesus is God.

 

[sudy]

The whole story about Jesus being a spirit, ended with the gnostic movement

I don’t pretend to deny that I’m out of my depth if this is the case I can’t say that I know anything about the gnostic movement and I would not wish to be saying anything which does not accord with the Church. I guess I shall leave any further discussions with you on this to those in the know

God bless!

 

[PNEUMA]

In Revelation 1, Jesus said, 'Do not be afraid; it is I, the First and the Last, I am the Living One, I was dead and look-I am alive for ever and ever…

In Isaiah 44 it says ‘Thus says the LORD, Israel’s King and redeemer, the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; there is no God but me.’

I think this clearly indicates that Jesus is God.

It indicates that Jesus holds the office of God.

 

[PNEUMA]

I don’t pretend to deny that I’m out of my depth if this is the case I can’t say that I know anything about the gnostic movement and I would not wish to be saying anything which does not accord with the Church. I guess I shall leave any further discussions with you on this to those in the know

God bless!

Jesus is not a spirit, even though many people think is

at 0:40 into the video youtube.com/watch?v=wMdX0fF2gU8

The spirit of Jesus, on the other hand, is God the Father. And he said so, cause that’s the way its is.

 

[sudy]

Jesus is not a spirit, even though many people think is

at 0:40 into the video youtube.com/watch?v=wMdX0fF2gU8

Just so we’re clear… I made the suggestion that Jesus is spirit before he became man. I absolutely and without doubt acknowledge that he is flesh and blood since becoming man.

John 4 ‘God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth.’

Anyway, as I said, I’m way out of my depth. Good luck in your search for truth