Why Jesus did not openly say this: "I AM GOD'

[PNEUMA]

PNEUMA;13819184:

No, its the other way around. The Jews thought Jesus was playing God, whereas in fact, God had given Jesus the authority to forgive sins and so on.

And he is God. He is part of the Holy Trinity. Anyone claiming to have the authority to forgive sins ultimately put himself on God’s level.

The catholic priesthood have the authority to forgive sins.

God the Father gave Jesus the authority to forgive sins. Jesus gave the Church authority to forgive sins. The Church forgive sins on behalf of Jesus. Jesus forgive sins on behalf of the Father.

 

[PNEUMA]

This is your answer directly to the Title of this thread interweaving the title into the first post. Are you human? Can you save me? I am human. I cannot save me, let alone save you. Why follow Jesus Christ? If Jesus Christ is merely human, he could be you, he could be me. Can you Create? Can you talk to Moses? Can you talk to Abraham? Can nature listen to you as its Creator? Can you tell us what makes Jesus Christ different to you? What makes Jesus Christ different to me?

Yes I can do that and much more through the glorified human Jesus Christ.

John 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father.”

 

[Darryl_B]

Yes I can do that and much more through the glorified human Jesus Christ.

John 14:12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father.”

That does not answer the question.

 

[sudy]

Jesus is not a spirit, even though many people think is

at 0:40 into the video youtube.com/watch?v=wMdX0fF2gU8

The spirit of Jesus, on the other hand, is God the Father. And he said so, cause that’s the way its is.

I was just reading Romans 1 and I feel it’s my duty to come back to this thread as I’m not happy with how I left it. The Pope in the video you linked was stating the Jesus is flesh and blood, and not a ghost… and explaining that his wounds are showing the Father the price of our redemption. Jesus is the Son of God. His origin is of God before all of creation. He emptied himself of his God-form and became like us in the form of man.

We know that the Church was established by Christ [Matthew 16:18],
and we know that Jesus left us a shepherd to tend his flock [John 21:15-17],
and we know Our Lord did not to leave us orphans [John 14:18],
and we know that the Spirit will lead the Church to all truth [John 16:12-13].
This Church, established by Jesus and led by the Holy Spirit, is still with us today and has declared the Holy Trinity.

‘Go, therefore, and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age’ [Matthew 28:19-20].

‘And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate to be with you always, the Spirit of truth, which the world cannot accept, because it neither sees nor knows it. But you know it, because it remains with you, and will be in you’ [Luke 14:16-17].

Genesis 1:26 God said, 'Let us make man in our own image, in the likeness of ourselves…

John 1 In the beginning was the Word; the Word was with God and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things came into being, not one thing came into being except through him… The Word became flesh, he lived among us, and we saw his glory, the glory that He has from the Father as only Son of the Father.

Philippians 2 Have among yourselves the same attitude that is also yours in Christ Jesus, Who, though he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped. Rather, he emptied himself, taking the form of a slave, coming in human likeness…

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In Isaiah 44 it says ‘Thus says the LORD, Israel’s King and redeemer, the LORD of hosts: I am the first and I am the last; there is no God but me.’

In Revelation 1, Jesus said, 'Do not be afraid; it is I, the First and the Last, I am the Living One, I was dead and look-I am alive for ever and ever…
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2 Corinthians 3:3 ‘and it is plain that you are a letter from Christ, entrusted to our care, written not with ink but with the Spirit of the living God; not onto stone tablets but on the tablets of human hearts.’

2 Timothy 3:14 ‘But you, remain faithful to what you have learned and believed, because you know from whom you learned it, and that from infancy you have known (the) Sacred Scriptures, which are capable of giving you wisdom for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus.’

2 John 1:2 because of the truth that dwells in us and will be with us forever.

I don’t pretend to have all of the answers or to understand all of the mysteries of God, but I place all of my trust in Our Lord and his Church. However, I realize we don’t see eye to eye on this.

 

[PNEUMA]

PNEUMA;13812010:

Jesus is not a spirit, even though many people think is

at 0:40 into the video youtube.com/watch?v=wMdX0fF2gU8

The spirit of Jesus, on the other hand, is God the Father. And he said so, cause that’s the way its is.I was just reading Romans 1 and I feel it’s my duty to come back to this thread as I’m not happy with how I left it. The Pope in the video you linked was stating the Jesus is flesh and blood, and not a ghost… and explaining that his wounds are showing the Father the price of our redemption. Jesus is the Son of God. His origin is of God before all of creation. He emptied himself of his God-form and became like us in the form of man…

The Pope says, Jesus is not a spirit at 0:40 in the video. Romans 1 doesn’t say something else. God the Father on the other hand, is spirit (John 4:24) Jesus is the first to be born of God (born of spirit)

 

[sudy]

My reference to Romans 1 was about my own personal behaviour, the ‘injustice of holding back the truth’, and ‘knowing God yet not honouring him as God.’

The Pope says Jesus is not a spirit, meaning he’s not a ghost… and that he is flesh and blood.

We’ve seen what happens when people interpret the bible for themselves… we end up with many thousands of different churches and different ideas. This ends up with a mutilation of the word of God as it turns into the word of man. We know that the devil could quote Scripture as he did when he tempted Our Lord in the desert. The problem here is that you stand by your own interpretation; your own (in)fallible authority. You haven’t stayed with Church teaching when it comes to the Holy Trinity yet 1 Timothy 3:15 teaches us that the Church of the living God, is the pillar and bulwark of truth.

Hebrews 2:1 We ought, then, to turn our minds more attentively than before to what we have been taught, so that we do not drift away.

2 Peter 1, 2 and 3 tells us that Scripture isn’t for self interpreting, that we should be aware of false teachings and that people will distort Scripture, as does Ephesians 3:14

We should not allow ourselves to be sifted like wheat.

 

[PNEUMA]

My reference to Romans 1 was about my own personal behaviour, the ‘injustice of holding back the truth’, and ‘knowing God yet not honouring him as God.’

The Pope says Jesus is not a spirit, meaning he’s not a ghost… and that he is flesh and blood.

We’ve seen what happens when people interpret the bible for themselves… we end up with many thousands of different churches and different ideas. This ends up with a mutilation of the word of God as it turns into the word of man. We know that the devil could quote Scripture as he did when he tempted Our Lord in the desert. The problem here is that you stand by your own interpretation; your own (in)fallible authority. You haven’t stayed with Church teaching when it comes to the Holy Trinity yet 1 Timothy 3:15 teaches us that the Church of the living God, is the pillar and bulwark of truth.

Hebrews 2:1 We ought, then, to turn our minds more attentively than before to what we have been taught, so that we do not drift away.

2 Peter 1, 2 and 3 tells us that Scripture isn’t for self interpreting, that we should be aware of false teachings and that people will distort Scripture, as does Ephesians 3:14

We should not allow ourselves to be sifted like wheat.

I think the Pope knows Jesus both came and left in the flesh. The whole Jesus is a spirit talk, is not Christian.

2 John 1:7 “Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist! Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.”

 

[sudy]

I think the Pope knows Jesus both came and left in the flesh. The whole Jesus is a spirit talk, is not Christian.

2 John 1:7 "Many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh; any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist! Be on your guard, so that you do not lose what we have worked for, but may receive a full reward. Everyone who does not abide in the teaching of Christ, but goes beyond it, does not have God; whoever abides in the teaching has both the Father and the Son."

As I quoted here:

Just so we’re clear… I made the suggestion that Jesus is spirit before he became man. I absolutely and without doubt acknowledge that he is flesh and blood since becoming man.

John 4 ‘God is Spirit, and those who worship him must worship in Spirit and truth.’

Jesus was born with human flesh, and he died with human flesh, and he rose from the dead with human flesh also. Our Lord is fully God and fully man, and has two natures, one human and one divine. You may be interested to read our Catechism regarding Our Lord’s humanity and his divinity. This would cover the Pope’s views also. vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p122a3p1.htm

 

[abucs]

The concept of God at the time was not of a Trinitarian nature. So for Jesus to come straight out and say “I am God” would be interpreted by His hearers as Jesus being the entirety of God as they understood it.

In the end, actions speak louder than words.

It was clear from his actions and speech that he was equating Himself to God in some strange way. For the purposes of being rejected by His people He needed them to reject Him in the familiarity of being incarnated as the Son of man rather than the obvious splendour, majesty and invincibility of the incorporeal God.