why Jews don't believe in Jesus

[Lapell]

It’s not quite Jesus Himself, it’s how the Jews react to someone of their own telling them he or she is now following Jesus… How is their reaction Jesus’ fault?

 

[Lapell]

It’s not quite Jesus Himself, it’s how the Jews react to someone of their own telling them he or she is now following Jesus… How is their reaction Jesus’ fault?

Surely Jesus didn’t go to them and ask them to react so strongly against their sibling and Himself?

 

[AutumnSakura]

I won’t pretend I’m any sort of expert on these questions, so please correct me if I am wrong. My understanding of the Law of Moses is that it basically boils down to “love God with all your heart, mind, etc”, and then to “love your neighbor as yourself”, and that the goal of all the other Levitical laws was a circumcision of the heart. This seems to me to be a very individual thing. Israel is the Church. It didn’t “change” or cease to be and the covenant wasn’t broken. There is also a very strong communal aspect to Orthodox Christianity (can’t speak for other “branches”). The Church is saved as a whole, for it is impossible to be a true follower of Christ and be outside of the Church. The individual within the Church achieves their own salvation by following God’s commandments and participating in the Sacraments. These seems like the same sort of thing that the Jews here are saying- a communal process of internal sanctification.

As a side note, the idea that Jesus was only teaching those who were following Him sounds vaguely Calvinistic, like the idea of “limited atonement”. His message was universal, if not universally accepted.

 

[Valke2]

Not so much he was teaching only those who followed him, but that he was teaching everyone to follow only him. One of the reasons Jews by and large didn’t.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Not so much he was teaching only those who followed him, but that he was teaching everyone to follow only him. One of the reasons Jews by and large didn’t.

Moses did.

http://www.meridianmagazine.com/sci_rel/images/1moses_red_sea.jpg

 

[Sagefrakrobatik]

What do you guys think of Replacement theology? or the Dual Covenant?

If you want to know the theological reasons why Jews dont accept any of Jesus’s putative 300 prophecies you can either go to Messiahtruth or kosherjudaism.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=4c3e985d6df3df39aceabe3168c739f6

 

[FaithofAbraham]

What do you guys think of Replacement theology? or the Dual Covenant?

If you want to know the theological reasons why Jews dont accept any of Jesus’s putative 300 prophecies you can either go to Messiahtruth or kosherjudaism.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=5&sid=4c3e985d6df3df39aceabe3168c739f6

Messiahtruth is nonsense.

First it says moshiach means messiah:

The noun moshiach (translated as messiah) annotatively means “annointed one;”

Then it makes some irrelevant argument that moshiach has nothing to do with being Messiah of David:

In the Tanach, moshiach is used 38 times: two patriarchs, six high priests, once for Cyrus, 29 Israelite kings such as Saul and David. Not once is the word moshiach used in reference to the awaited Messiah.

But then it turns around and says Tanach does refer to Messiah:

The man destined to be the Messiah will be a direct descendant of King David (Isaiah 11:1) through the family of Solomon, David’s son (1 Chronicles 22:9-l0).

It is just a bunch of hot air that hates Jews who accept Jesus.

 

[Valke2]

Messiahtruth is nonsense.

First it says moshiach means messiah:

The noun moshiach (translated as messiah) annotatively means “annointed one;”

Then it makes some irrelevant argument that moshiach has nothing to do with being Messiah of David:

In the Tanach, moshiach is used 38 times: two patriarchs, six high priests, once for Cyrus, 29 Israelite kings such as Saul and David. Not once is the word moshiach used in reference to the awaited Messiah.

But then it turns around and says Tanach does refer to Messiah:

The man destined to be the Messiah will be a direct descendant of King David (Isaiah 11:1) through the family of Solomon, David’s son (1 Chronicles 22:9-l0).

It is just a bunch of hot air that hates Jews who accept Jesus.

please. If a Christian uses the term King, we can figure out whether they mean Jesus or an earthly king.
It is the same with “annointed one” there are many “annointed ones” and ony one “the annointed one”.

 

[Hisalone]

aish.com/spirituality/philosophy/Why_Dont_Jews_Believe_In_Jesus$.asp

CHRISTIANITY CONTRADICTS JEWISH THEOLOGY

The following theological points apply primarily to the Roman Catholic Church, the largest Christian denomination.

A. GOD AS THREE?

The Catholic idea of Trinity breaks God into three separate beings: The Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:19).

Contrast this to the Shema, the basis of Jewish belief: “Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is ONE” (Deut. 6:4). Jews declare the Shema every day, while writing it on doorposts (Mezuzah), and binding it to the hand and head (Tefillin). This statement of God’s One-ness is the first words a Jewish child is taught to say, and the last words uttered before a Jew dies.

In Jewish law, worship of a three-part god is considered idolatry – one of the three cardinal sins that a Jew should rather give up his life than transgress. This explains why during the Inquisitions and throughout history, Jews gave up their lives rather than convert.

The Hebrew word for one that is used in the Shema is echad which can be used to mean a singular one or a united one. Christians maintain that although echad does not define YHVH as a united one it certainly doesnt eliminate that possibility.

 

[Lapell]

Messiahtruth is nonsense.

First it says moshiach means messiah:

The noun moshiach (translated as messiah) annotatively means “annointed one;”

Is the first following “then” part of the first example. If not, What’s wrong with their saying that the Hebrew word for Messiah is moshiach, which it truly is?

 

[Lapell]

please. If a Christian uses the term King, we can figure out whether they mean Jesus or an earthly king.
It is the same with “annointed one” there are many “annointed ones” and ony one “the annointed one”.

But isn’t awaiting the Messiah an essential part of Judaism? Did Maimonides not say something about it?

 

[Valke2]

But isn’t awaiting the Messiah an essential part of Judaism? Did Maimonides not say something about it?

You are correct. I was referring to the fact that the Jewish scriptures use the word “messiah” to refer to kings as well as “The Messiah”

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Is the first following “then” part of the first example. If not, What’s wrong with their saying that the Hebrew word for Messiah is moshiach, which it truly is?

They use clever and deceptive arguments to make it seem like Jesus IS NOT foretold in the OT:

“In the Tanach…Not once is the word moshiach used in reference to the awaited Messiah…In Judaic texts, the term messiah was used for all kings, high priests, certain warriors, but never eschatological figures.”

But then they contradict themselves say their real Messiah of Jewish eschatology IS foretold:

“The man destined to be the Messiah will be a direct descendant of King David (Isaiah 11:1) through the family of Solomon, David’s son (1 Chronicles 22:9-l0).”

These types are a bunch of snakes, driven to carefully destroy faith in Jesus, and then they even discourage Gentiles from converting to Judaism so they offer nothing better, and even nothing at all.

Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

 

[Lapell]

I would not be surprised if the Jews originally taught something about the original sin but then at one point said they never did. Not in recent years, of course!! (I can’t blame Jews of today to believe what they were told.) And there seem to have been a lot of theology which used to be shared by both Judaism and Christianity, at least in the beginning. Then, maybe just to dissociate themselves from Christianity, they possibly started denying at least some of the things common to both. I think this is quite possible… The Jews of today have no reason to distrust them.

 

[Lapell]

For one thing, I believe they are really sincere when they think Jesus was guilty of blasphemy. After all, he looked like a man. And if he merely was a man, they would be right, wouldn’t they?
But what if he truly is God the Son, and he became a man to fulfil God’s plan for the salvation of us all, Jews and non-Jews?

 

[Lapell]

Why the Jews of today don’t believe Jesus to be God the Son is because they believe Jesus was but a man, isn’t it?:yup:

 

[FaithofAbraham]

I would not be surprised if the Jews originally taught something about the original sin but then at one point said they never did. Not in recent years, of course!! (I can’t blame Jews of today to believe what they were told.) And there seem to have been a lot of theology which used to be shared by both Judaism and Christianity, at least in the beginning. Then, maybe just to dissociate themselves from Christianity, they possibly started denying at least some of the things common to both. I think this is quite possible… The Jews of today have no reason to distrust them.

Death on all of Adam’s children is the curse of original sin. Much of Judaism believes that curse will end someday. So of course they believe in original sin, they just don’t believe that it makes you sinful, only your own sins make you sinful. I agree with that, but not with their denial of such a thing as original sin.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

For one thing, I believe they are really sincere when they think Jesus was guilty of blasphemy. After all, he looked like a man. And if he merely was a man, they would be right, wouldn’t they?
But what if he truly is God the Son, and he became a man to fulfil God’s plan for the salvation of us all, Jews and non-Jews?

If they read the NT like I do nowhere does Jesus say he is God.

But even without that deity issue, they would still charge him with blasphemy and being a false prophet simply because he said he is Messiah but didn’t fulfill prophecies because they’ve been brainwashed to think Suffering Servant who must be rejected at first isn’t about Messiah.

 

[FaithofAbraham]

Why the Jews of today don’t believe Jesus to be God the Son is because they believe Jesus was but a man, isn’t it?:yup:

The Bible never says there is such a thing as God the Son, that is a Church tradition.

THE Son of God refers to human Messiah who believes the most, and all other believers of God are children and sons of God.

 

[Valke2]

I would not be surprised if the Jews originally taught something about the original sin but then at one point said they never did. Not in recent years, of course!! (I can’t blame Jews of today to believe what they were told.) And there seem to have been a lot of theology which used to be shared by both Judaism and Christianity, at least in the beginning. Then, maybe just to dissociate themselves from Christianity, they possibly started denying at least some of the things common to both. I think this is quite possible… The Jews of today have no reason to distrust them.

I think it would be much more likely that Christianity, being the newer religion, would take steps to disassociate itself from Judaism rather than Judaism changing dogma to disassociate itself from Christianity.