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well both Jesus and Paul were JewsAnd guess where he got that little ditty from?![]()
So of course Jesus will explain Godās Pure commandmant. My point is that this is the Law according to God.
well both Jesus and Paul were JewsAnd guess where he got that little ditty from?![]()
I should not have said today. It is a bit older than that. I ran across it during a search earlier today. It is in the Jerusalem Post. The rabbi calls for the deaths of all palestinian males over the age of 13 in Israelās territory. He backs himself withwhat rabbi? The āgolden ruleā is certainly taken from Torah. IT is considered a main cornerstone of Judaism. No jewish rabbi that I know or would want to know would have said what you posted.
Ok. So it was in 2002. And you forget to mention that Israeli law officers had him arrested for his comments, which were vewied as sedition. And you miss my point. YOu canāt āfullfillā a commandment. A commandment is there to be obeyed eternally. And if you really want to look for concrete examples of when christians did not obey this rule (since you used an exmaple of Israel not obeying itā¦)I should not have said today. It is a bit older than that. I ran across it during a search earlier today. It is in the Jerusalem Post. The rabbi calls for the deaths of all palestinian males over the age of 13 in Israelās territory. He backs himself with
Mishne Torah, written by Maimonides
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As far as the Golden Rule- you miss the point. The Jewish Golden Rule says love your neighbors and your friends as yourself. Jesus fulfilled your golden rule when he said added to love our enemy and do good to those who hate us. You love your friends only. We are called to love friend and foe. In Judaism, loving oneās enemy is merely stupid. Loving the ENEMY is our cornerstone and the fullness of the Golden Rule.
Do you understand the example of good, better best? Yes a commandment is there to be obeyed eternally. But there are good better and best ways of obeying it. Very simple really. The Mosaic law is good, what most Christians do is better, and only the saints do it best. Simple. Like Jesus said- one should not kill. But then he improves on that commandment by telling us not to grow angry with our brother, then he perfects the commandment by stating we should love our enemy, then he fulfills the commandment by dying without resistance and offering his forgiveness of those who killed him. Do you see? good, better, perfect, fulfillment of holiness. Very simple. What you have is good. What we have is better. Your view of the commandment do not kill is limited to only the good. The war with Lebanon recently shows the view Jews have of enemies. Hardly Christlike, now is it?Ok. So it was in 2002. And you forget to mention that Israeli law officers had him arrested for his comments, which were vewied as sedition. And you miss my point. YOu canāt āfullfillā a commandment. A commandment is there to be obeyed eternally. And if you really want to look for concrete examples of when christians did not obey this rule (since you used an exmaple of Israel not obeying itā¦)
My own personal opinion on this matter is that Jesus fulfilled the Jewish identity for the Gentiles in order to allow those nations outside of Israel to enter more completely into the Jewish fold than previous Gentiles were ever able to do before.But the vast majority of Christians to not observe the commandments that were in place at the time of Jesus. ANd I hear over and over how he āfullfilledā the commandments (although as a Jew I believe that would be impossible).
I understand arrogance.Do you understand the example of good, better best? Yes a commandment is there to be obeyed eternally. But there are good better and best ways of obeying it. Very simple really. The Mosaic law is good, what most Christians do is better, and only the saints do it best. Simple. Like Jesus said- one should not kill. But then he improves on that commandment by telling us not to grow angry with our brother, then he perfects the commandment by stating we should love our enemy, then he fulfills the commandment by dying without resistance and offering his forgiveness of those who killed him. Do you see? good, better, perfect, fulfillment of holiness. Very simple. What you have is good. What we have is better. Your view of the commandment do not kill is limited to only the good. The war with Lebanon recently shows the view Jews have of enemies. Hardly Christlike, now is it?
As far as this poor rabbi goes, your religion, your Torahs, your interpretations of what God really wants of us, allowed him somehow to reach his conclusion. Yes, he was arrested, but nevertheless, it is a flaw in Judaic theology of God that allowed him to reason such a thing from the Torah in the first place. Understand with Catholic theology being the way it is, he would never have been able to reach the conclusion at all for he would not even have had a starting point. But there are holes in Jewish theology that allow for what he did.
Good, better, best and the complete perfection. We start as good, we work for better, we reach the best and pray for complete perfection. Which is why one of our greatest saints of theology has as the title of her book- The Way of Perfection. For Jews, the laws as interpreted at the time of Moses were the be all and the end all. For Christians, we realized a better understanding of how God wanted his laws observed. Simple really. So simple.
Arrogance yesā¦I understand arrogance.
Shana tova.Arrogance yesā¦
It is arrogance that allows a person to judge an enemy killeable. Then feel one is right with God.
Arrogance is that which allows one to hate and destroy another because one knows who is in a better condition with God.
Arrogance is that which allows the murder of innocents in order to kill the enemy.
Arrogance is that which considers non violent reactions to be a weakness.
Arrogance is that which considers it an affront to share a territory with an enemy.
Arrogance is that which lacks empathy and mercy.
Arrogance is that which allows a group to consider themselves perpetually a victim rather than victimisers.
Arrogance is that which allows no insult to pass unheeded, unrevenged.
Arrogance is feeling sorry for oneās self for lacking shoes and forgetting the man who has no feet. Arrogance.
And Christ came to defeat arrogance. We got lucky.
Arrogance yesā¦
It is arrogance that allows a person to judge an enemy killeable. Then feel one is right with God.
Arrogance is that which allows one to hate and destroy another because one knows who is in a better condition with God.
Arrogance is that which allows the murder of innocents in order to kill the enemy.
Arrogance is that which considers non violent reactions to be a weakness.
Arrogance is that which considers it an affront to share a territory with an enemy.
Arrogance is that which lacks empathy and mercy.
Arrogance is that which allows a group to consider themselves perpetually a victim rather than victimisers.
Arrogance is that which allows no insult to pass unheeded, unrevenged.
Arrogance is feeling sorry for oneās self for lacking shoes and forgetting the man who has no feet. Arrogance.
And Christ came to defeat arrogance. We got lucky./QUOTE
How much did Christians enjoy sharing Jerusalem duiring the crusades?
Was anyone ever killed in the name Jesus?
How many jews were murdered in the name of Jesus?
How many muslims were murdered in the name of Jesus?
How many Christians were murdered in the name of Jesus?
HOw many were tortured?
How many were incited to violence?
Do you really think you can take the moral high ground??
Now we are straying into politics. You may not know this, but several years ago, Israel exchanged 400 prisoners for one live person and some dead bodies. I donāt think you meant to suggest that Israel was arrogant because it agreed to such an exchange?? IMO, it is impossible to judge the morality of Israel (the national govāt, not the religion), as being inferior to that of its enemies.i donāt think itās a matter of followers but teachings. Killing in the name of Jesus is a sin- considering ourselves better in the name of Jesus is a sin- being arrogant because Jesus saved us is a sin-
Between Lebanon and Israel, exchanging the prisoners is a big example : 10 if not 100 gentiles for 1 Jew. This is arrogance to us cuz Jesus taught we are equal.
As far as considering yourself better in the name of jesus being a sin, it seems to me that the last half a dozen posts or so have been trying to prove just that. And trying to do so my criticizing the followers of judaism, not judaism. Which is why I respondend with atrocities committed in the name of Jesus.i donāt think itās a matter of followers but teachings. Killing in the name of Jesus is a sin- considering ourselves better in the name of Jesus is a sin- being arrogant because Jesus saved us is a sin-
Between Lebanon and Israel, exchanging the prisoners is a big example : 10 if not 100 gentiles for 1 Jew. This is arrogance to us cuz Jesus taught we are equal.
One more thing. None of the criticisms that have been leveled against Jews here, even if they constitute sin, were sanctioned by Judaism. They were not the policy of the religion. The killing of Muslims, violence of the crusades, the incitement of hatred against Jews through passion plays, were all part of the āpolicyā of Christainity, whether or not the Church actively sanctioned such behavior.i donāt think itās a matter of followers but teachings. Killing in the name of Jesus is a sin- considering ourselves better in the name of Jesus is a sin- being arrogant because Jesus saved us is a sin-
Between Lebanon and Israel, exchanging the prisoners is a big example : 10 if not 100 gentiles for 1 Jew. This is arrogance to us cuz Jesus taught we are equal.
Now we are straying into politics. You may not know this, but several years ago, Israel exchanged 400 prisoners for one live person and some dead bodies. I donāt think you meant to suggest that Israel was arrogant because it agreed to such an exchange??
am not a scholar in Judaismā¦but isnāt it the general thought that a Jewās life is worthiest than a genteel? i heard it from a Jew during the warā¦itās not my invention.
As far as considering yourself better in the name of jesus being a sin, it seems to me that the last half a dozen posts or so have been trying to prove just that.
i donāt think so cuz we are not talking about a āhumanā better than another āhumanā because of Jesus cuz itās a sin to judge and cause a Jew and genteel are both one in Jesus. Do you have this concept of equality? What some tried to say is that the Messiahās Law is perfect and to be followed as the OT saysā¦
And trying to do so my criticizing the followers of judaism, not judaism. Which is why I respondend with atrocities committed in the name of Jesus.
am not a scholar in Judaismā¦but isnāt it the general thought that a Jewās life is worthiest than a genteel? i heard it from a Jew during the warā¦itās not my invention.
One more thing. None of the criticisms that have been leveled against Jews here, even if they constitute sin, were sanctioned by Judaism
. to be frank, i donāt know what criticism has been labeled against Judaism hereā¦maybe the posters will clarify or you can.
i know there are theological mistakes in the movie but i donāt think some Jews can be excluded from fact that Jesus was crucifiedā¦others can correct meā¦the movie is built from Biblical and historical info, not from prejudices against jewsā¦after all Jesus forgaveā¦The killing of Muslims,