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SuperLuigi
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All you’ve done ever since you signed up is post Democrat talking points.
Democrat policies don’t help the poor!
Guess again:
gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/
No one ever said the GOP court appointees were great. But the Democrats are FAR worse.
That is what I have said over and over.
Possibly, but it would also greatly reduce the number of abortions.
Like any other alleged crime: relative to the circumstances, the evidence and the offense against justice.
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StudentMI
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Um, he has 51 posts. Where has been peddling 'bleeding heart’s stuff nonstop? And no need for ad hominem.
And as for Jesus, he was for personal sacrifice. The bad thing for western capitalism is that Jesus and the early Christian community lived in a way that made Kropotkin smile. Ayn Rand was left out in the cold apparently.
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Never mentioned the Dems, I just stated fact, help poor=Less Abortions.All you’ve done ever since you signed up is post Democrat talking points.
Democrat policies don’t help the poor!
Guess again:
gop.com/platform/renewing-american-values/
No one ever said the GOP court appointees were great. But the Democrats are FAR worse.
That is what I have said over and over.
Possibly, but it would also greatly reduce the number of abortions.
Like any other alleged crime: relative to the circumstances, the evidence and the offense against justice.
The GOP platform is one thing, how they act in Congress and in the Senate is different.
Destroying Obamacare, which was at least a start and replacing it with “Trumpcare” HURTS 20 million+ Americans, and that’s a Conservative estimate! (LOL, Puns)
No, you haven’t. Otherwise you wouldn’t be arguing against me.
How would it reduce the # of abortions. They could legit go to Canada, which already has a steadily increasing abortion rate.
I quoted the article.
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Even suggesting Trump has sacrificed anything for the People is laughable.
I’m talking laughing for a year laughable.
The “Personal Sacrifice” argument in his part is kinda off-topic.
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Your intentions are obvious.
Yeah, they’re not conservative enough.
If you wouldn’t blindly follow the American mainstream media, you’d know that’s a CBO estimate and that CBO estimates don’t mean squat.
Americans voted for Trump in no small part because several million are paying massive premium increases because of Obamacare.
Only with a fake Canadian ID card…
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TeenCatholicGuy;14707564:
But I never said “the force of government should be used to help the poor”. I mean, there should be nothing wrong with that, as HELPING THE POOR IS CHRISTIAN. I mean, it’s kinda the point.Translation: time to play the victim.
Level of education, not age. And it wasn’t used against you.
Thanks, but considering I do this for a living, I count.
Strawman.
Never said that, I said that it wasn’t Christian to use the force of government to give to the poor.
Never assumed your opinion on anything.
Source = Jordan B. Peterson, clinical psychologist, University of Toronto, former Harvard professor.
Figures a supporter of the Democrats would respond in this way. I knew I was right to vote GOP the last several election cycles.
Now who’s making the assumptions? YOU.
You pointed out i was in High School, you feeling the need to do so is… what exactly?
Ignores the entire sentence.
An actual article as a source?
You assumed I was a Democrat.
Look at what the GOP are doing rn, NOTHING to help the Poor, NOTHING to help lower abortion rates. I don’t see any Christian Values in any of the bills they have or tried to pass thus far.
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I never said he did, but I’ll up his record of giving against Canadian Labour leaders any day.
No, it isn’t. Your talking points (make no mistake, that is what they are) state that the :bighanky: caring government :crying: has to come in and make life all fair for everyone, because I guess those liberals just can’t be bothered to voluntarily part with their stuff-------even though they “care”.
Why don’t you put your money where your mouth is and sell your computer to help the poor if you care so much about them and the climate. Or do you have to wait for Trudeau to come and confiscate it?
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Wait wait wait wait wait… Says who?
Says Leo XIII in Rerum Novarum? Quadrageismo Anno? Centesimus annus?
As a Catholic you have no right to say what is Christian and what isn’t. The Holy Mother Church decides that. And your Randian philosophy is NOT what the Church teaches.
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CBO is non-partisan. Even if we assume they aren’t, what does the Republican Healthcare plan actually do? You also are assuming I only take in American Mainstream Media, and that i’m sort of robot that believes everything I see online. I take what I see, and form my own opinions. I mean it when I say: Republicans showcase little to no Catholic Values.Your intentions are obvious.
Yeah, they’re not conservative enough.
If you wouldn’t blindly follow the American mainstream media, you’d know that’s a CBO estimate and that CBO estimates don’t mean squat.
Americans voted for Trump in no small part because several million are paying massive premium increases because of Obamacare.
Only with a fake Canadian ID card…
Yeah, and those increases are only going to get bigger under the new plan(s). So, how does that help anything? Also, that’s not how Canadian Healthcare works.
Majority of Americans didn’t vote for Donald Trump, and Majority of Catholics didn’t either.
americamagazine.org/politics-society/2017/04/06/new-data-suggest-clinton-not-trump-won-catholic-vote
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The amount of assumptions in a partial paragraph is astounding.
I bet you’ve never heard a 15 year old use the word “astounding” much less know how to spell it.
Don’t treat me like I’m dumb. I’ve debated with Hardcore Conservatives, and after revealing my age after, they have all admitted I am one of the toughest debaters they’ve met. #ImTheNextKellyanne #NewAlternativeFacts
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You were supporting the DNC platform. That is at its very core. Did you even read it?
“should be” and “are”---------those are different. Learn it, if you’re serious about this.
It doesn’t help the poor. All it does is line the pockets of corrupt liberals and makes the poor dependent on government. No one gets ahead and it destroys the nuclear family.
It was an example.
I think two acdemics who have published is good enough and better than some liberal article.
Wrong again. Only said you post their talking points.
Moving to restrict abortion funding will help lower the rates, and all of their fiscal policies help the poor.
Canada would be wise to follow their lead, if they had any sense left.
First of all, I’m only interested in Catholic values, not just generic Christian values.
Second, the GOP has introduced legislation to fix health care (although the feds should have nothing to do with it, as we’ve seen national health care fail in Canada and the UK), lower taxes to help poor people, and defend Planned Parenthood among others.
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Sorry, mean to never was. I missed a negative, but thanks for the judgement.
Ad hominem attack.
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As a Canadian, I take extreme offense when you dare say that our healthcare system is failing. I can walk into any hospital in Ontario, and get treated by a Dr. He can order an X-ray or a Ultrasound or any other scan and give me a prescription for my ailment. All of that, for $0. It costs me for the prescription, but my Insurance my Father got through his work reduces it up to 90+%. Sometimes Prescriptions are as little as $5.
I can walk into any Walk-in Clinic and be treated for nothing.
And you dare say that our healthcare system is “failing” while Obamacare and Trumpcare are SO terrible, you could say our healthcare was working with Star Wars era tech, and America is still in the Middle Ages. Neither party is properly considering HOW HEALTHCARE WORKS. However, GOP is NOT FIXING HEALTHCARE! How? Premiums will go up for the majority, while they will be reduced for the rich! HOW IS THAT FIXED?
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From that link
“In my post a couple of days ago, I pointed out that in Faithful Citizenship*, *the USCCB made it clear that the church cannot tell Catholics how to vote on election day. Instead, Catholics must vote with their conscience. Depending on the circumstances, that may mean Catholics feel “morally grave considerations” call them to vote for a candidate who otherwise supports what we believe to be a grave moral evil—like abortion or torture. The current post looks more closely at these “morally grave reasons.” What could possibly justify a Catholic’s vote for a political candidate who wants abortion to remain legal?”
Do you know why the Catholic Church doesn’t weigh in on giving Catholics direct instruction for voting? It’s not mentioned anywhere in that article or links within that article.
Because of the Johnson Amendment. The Church as a result of that amendment, could be prosecuted by the government and lose tax exempt status, if they give advice from the “pulpit” so to speak, on how to vote.
if the government even gets a whiff of a Church trying to educate on how to vote on a subject or candidate, they could have their tax exempt status revoked. And the govt would LOVE LOVE LOVE to revoke the Catholic Church tax exempt status.
So the bishops have to be politically correct to avoid the govt intrusion into Church teaching.
But don’t think that changes our responsibility as voters. Catholics are to vote pro life, in party and candidate.
irs.gov/uac/charities-churches-and-politics
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