Why Noah's story is not borrowed from pagan flood stories

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Roseeurekacross said:
This person is also assuming the dinosaurs were wiped out in the flood.
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Ummm, they mostly (except those on the Ark itself) were. Genesis 6:17,19-20.

Look up “death pose” among dinosaur fossils. The Dinosaur Death Pose | Genesis Park

They drowned and were buried on a massive scale. Look up “beds”, “boneyards”, “deposits” (deposited by…???), “graveyards” and consider their positions, dis-articulation, scattered dumps and piles upon piles of bones, in some cases for miles. Even within secular museums (though they do not allow for a global catastrophic flood as Peter says) on individual cases, if the notation under the display is read at all, it says died by local flood, water carried into place, etc.

This?


or this:
 
BoomerangToo said:
I have read many first-hand accounts of early American pioneers who were kidnapped by Indians and forced to live with them for many years before they were rescued or escaped. Several of these accounts say that the Indians have a Noah-like flood story in their oral histories, so I have no doubt that there was a major world-wide flood, or series of floods, long ago. Probably happened at the end of the last ice age about 10000 years ago.
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It’d be amazing if a major climate shift 10,000 years ago had such a cultural impact that it got preserved in stories for so long all over the world, even before the written word gave us the versions preserved today. Though obviously it’s speculative that this is what specifically happened.
 
ChristMyLife said:
So the only tenable option for a Catholic to take via the flood is a localized, regional, albeit massive flood.
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The flood was almost certainly an outburst flood, probably the Black Sea flood, so there is scientific basis for a great localized flood.
There is no evolutionary evidence that supports the flood story in terms of animal life. In fact, massive amount of evidence against.
It is clearly a myth.

Given the scientific evidence against the flood, what is the reason for arguing for it? For example, I understand the denial of evolution, or the Creation myth, or the Exodus. For example, the doctrine of Original Sin is contradicted by Evolution (please - has been discussed elsewhere).

But, focusing on the flood, what is fundamental to Christian theology? To me, saying the flood is a true mythic event doesn’t contradict any fundamental Christian doctrine. Or does it?
 
The details can be speculated but that there was a Noah and a flood and an ark there is no question. Because Jesus referred to Noah’s story in the gospel of Matthew and confirmed it therefore there can be no doubt.
 
Dan_Defender said:
The details can be speculated but that there was a Noah and a flood and an ark there is no question. Because Jesus referred to Noah’s story in the gospel of Matthew and confirmed it therefore there can be no doubt.
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But doesn’t this just mean Jesus read the Old Testament?
 
Jesus is the source of all truth. I leave it at that. Sorry but not going to argue such a basic point with you. Believe what you want.
 
Roseeurekacross said:
The earth is flat? Is this your primary premise?
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No. ‘flat earth’ is egregious error and heresy. See my response here -
EvangAlived said:
What???

‘Flat-earth’ is egregious error and heresy.
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EvangAlived said:
That would not be a picture of ‘flat earth’. It would be a picture of the absurdity of a local flood being 15 cubits above the then highest mountains on a spheroid earth.
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EvangAlived said:
I have, and it’s origin is AnswersinGenesis, which teaches a spheroid earth. The picture is again, not demonstrating a flat earth which is error, but is demonstrating the absurdity of a local flood that has waters reaching 15 cubits (Genesis 7:20) above the highest mountains. Here is the page it is from - Was There Really a Noah’s Ark & Flood? | Answers in Genesis

It is mocking (demonstrating the foolishness of) ethnocentric (local) flood theology on a spheroid earth
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It would be nice if you corrected this (incorrect) accusation, after having my answers on multiple occasions.
 
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I’m not sure that dinosaurs existed during the flood
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In fact most paleontologists agree that dinosaurs went extinct millions of years ago, while the flood is at most tens of thousands years old. That is a very large gap. So no dinosaurs.
 
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A visual signifies something, it is not interpreted by the producer but by the viewer.

whatever the producer believes, the interpretation of that picture is flat earth.

it is also against CAF rules to mock religious beliefs. We Catholics take sacred scripture very seriously. The flood story tells of God’s first Covenant with human beings. And that covenant is still in operation today as it will be forever.
 
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Every nation is descended from the survivors of the Flood. Noah’s grandsons became the patriarchs of the nations, and after Babel, they were scattered across the world.
 
About the time the glacial Lake Agassiz released at the end glacial warm period 8500 years ago the collapse of the Laurentide Ice Sheet. is hypothesized to be the flood narrative. Too many separate cultures have a flood myth about the same time.
 
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In their new book A Catholic Introduction to the Bible Bergsma and Pitre (supporting the topic here) point out that the ark had three levels, like the temple of Solomon would have. The placid image of the animals in the ark also echoes the Garden of Eden. There are other features of the Biblical account which point back to creation, etc. They point out how Genesis and other books have so much logical structure and coherence in them, which do not reflect the other stories.

Genesis was not a result of an explosion in the print shop (old proverb).
 
Could it be that the pagan stories are actually distortions of Noah’s experience?
 
Similar, perhaps on a much larger scale as in this video the Alaskan Mega Tsunami - BBC
 
According to W. Bruce Masse, a researcher on the topic of ancient myths, there are over 1100 flood stories from peoples all over the world, from every continent except Antarctica. These peoples did not have communication with one another, not all of them did. So they must have derived the flood stories from an actual event.
 
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