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aidanbradypop
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The Hail Mary is biblical…why not pray it?
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EIF5A
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Because the others who pray for you cannot grant/answer your request. Everyone can pray. Only God provides directly or indirectly.
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aidanbradypop
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There is no Saint that can answer a prayer…that is where your wrong my friend.
We ask the Saints to pray for us and offer our prayers to God. God, and He ALONE, answers our prayers. 
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EIF5A
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“Hail, holy Queen, mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.”The Hail Mary is biblical…why not pray it?
I know it’s poetic enrichment, but this particular prayer is not for me.
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EIF5A
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I never said a saint can answer our prayer or grant our request directly…There is no Saint that can answer a prayer…that is where your wrong my friend.
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aidanbradypop
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That is perfectly ok…but please understand that the Saints do not answer our prayers. They merely offer them to God and He answers them.
For conversation…lets look at "Hail, Holy Queen, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope.
Hail…just acknowledging her is all
Holy Queen…she is Holy and is the Queen of Heave
Mother of mercy, our life, our sweetness, and our hope…she is the mother of Mercy (Christ), our life (Christ), our sweetness (Christ) and our hope (Christ)
What is so wrong with that prayer now?
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aidanbradypop
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Ah, commas. It makes it sound like Mary is our life and hope and etc, not the mother of.
Added: This makes more sense now.
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aidanbradypop
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Even if one would think that she is our life, our sweetness, our hope…it is because through her saying yes to God, we gained Christ on Earth who granted us useless sinners life, hope, mercy, etc.
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EIF5A
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Hmm…I’ll just stick to the “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life” for now…
Even if one would think that she is our life, our sweetness, our hope…it is because through her saying yes to God, we gained Christ on Earth who granted us useless sinners life, hope, mercy, etc.
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aidanbradypop
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Indeed He is!
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Jeanne1184
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EIF5A;10812254:
The experience of loving the Lord my God with all of my heart, all of my soul and all of my mind. No leaks.I
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pablope
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Here is a book I would recommend (maybe availabe at your local public library):
Scott Hahn’s Hail Holy Queen
amazon.com/Hail-Holy-Queen-Scott-Hahn/dp/0385501684
Most Christians know that the life of Jesus is foreshadowed throughout the Old Testament. Through a close examination of the Bible, as well as the work of both Catholic and Protestant scholars and clergy, Hahn brings to light the small but significant details showing that just as Jesus is the “New Adam,” so Mary is the “New Eve.” He unveils the Marian mystery at the heart of the Book of Revelation and reveals how it is foretold in the very first pages of the Book of Genesis and in the story of King David’s monarchy, which speaks of a privileged place for the mother of the king.
Building on these scriptural and historical foundations, Hahn presents a new look at the Marian doctrines: Her Immaculate Conception, Perpetual Virginity, Assumption, and Coronation. As he guides modern-day readers through passages filled with mysteries and poetry, Hahn helps them rediscover the ancient art and science of reading the Scriptures and gain a more profound understanding of their truthfulness and relevance to faith and the practice of religion in the contemporary world.
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aidanbradypop
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I experience that every day and every Mass!The experience of loving the Lord my God with all of my heart, all of my soul and all of my mind. No leaks.
Glad you do as well!
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StillCatholic
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Why do we struggle with the concept of intercession continuing in heaven after we pass from this life to the next? Does death become a spiritual retirement plan? Jesus is the head Intercessor. If He is the head, then certainly there is a body. If intercession at all is a valid occupation for anyone, here on earth, then why shouldn’t it continue to be valid when we pass from this life to the next?
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Jeanne1184
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This is an article detailing the timeline of the Catholic Church’s elevation of Mary.
truthmagazine.com/archives/volume34/GOT034165.html
truthmagazine.com/archives/volume34/GOT034165.html
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aidanbradypop
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So if it is in truthmagazine then it must be true.
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pablope
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Right…so you rely on someone/something other than official church teachings?
Here is their first mistaken asumption of fact:
Here is the papal declaration and read it for yourself…I strongly suggest.
ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P12MUNIF.HTM
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- Various testimonies, indications and signs of this common belief of the Church are evident from remote times down through the course of the centuries; and this same belief becomes more clearly manifest from day to day.
- This belief of the sacred pastors and of Christ’s faithful is universally manifested still more splendidly by the fact that, since ancient times, there have been both in the East and in the West solemn liturgical offices commemorating this privilege. The holy Fathers and Doctors of the Church have never failed to draw enlightenment from this fact since, as everyone knows, the sacred liturgy, “because it is the profession, subject to the supreme teaching authority within the Church, of heavenly truths, can supply proofs and testimonies of no small value for deciding a particular point of Christian doctrine.”[10]
- What is here indicated in that sobriety characteristic of the Roman liturgy is presented more clearly and completely in other ancient liturgical books. To take one as an example, the Gallican sacramentary designates this privilege of Mary’s as “an ineffable mystery all the more worthy of praise as the Virgin’s Assumption is something unique among men.” And, in the Byzantine liturgy, not only is the Virgin Mary’s bodily Assumption connected time and time again with the dignity of the Mother of God, but also with the other privileges, and in particular with the virginal motherhood granted her by a singular decree of God’s Providence. “God, the King of the universe, has granted you favors that surpass nature. As he kept you a virgin in childbirth, thus he has kept your body incorrupt in the tomb and has glorified it by his divine act of transferring it from the tomb.”[12]
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Jeanne1184
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Nah. It is another perspective on the issue of the curious worship of Mary. The article is somewhat biased but there are enough facts to check.So if it is in truthmagazine then it must be true.
What I did find of new interest in that article was the mention that Christ was not only conceived outside of marriage but was born illegitimate. This is interesting as a fulfillment of a ‘type and shadow’ of the apocryphal texts where Sophia birthed Yaldabaoth illegitimately, self-conceived, (Time began with the error?) Had never noticed it before that Joseph and Mary weren’t married until after Jesus’ birth. The other ‘supernatural conceptions’ took place within marriages.
Looks like where error once came through the birth canal, now Perfection came through to ‘over-ride/over-write’ the Error. May be wrongly mixing accounts but it reminds me of Pandora and Hope being left inside the jar (womb?). Christ was that Hope, dislodged from the rim of the jar by the Holy Spirit and fertilized an egg? Wild, eh? heh-heh
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GaryTaylor
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The Gospel of Judas?
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