Why not despise our bodies?

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Sol_Invictus said:
How could I be a heretic?
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The same way anyone else is. Because your views are diametrically opposed to those of traditional Christianity.
You’re attitude that sex is good and therefore we should indulge in it is the very attitude which our modern society and many pagans have held.
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Orthodox Christians do not think that sex should be indulged in without restraint. In fact, almost no one does think that–ancient pagans certainly didn’t. Actually many ancient pagans despised the body, and arguably that’s where early Christians got it from, though it was intensified in them by their apocalyptic ethic. However, the strain of Christianity from which we all derive today held firmly to the intrinsic goodness of the body.
Cmon people theres more to life than sex
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Agreed. This is an obvious straw man.

Your alias indicates that you have some interest in late antiquity. I recommend that you read Peter Brown’s The Body and Society sometime.

Edwin
 
We really are just animals. We have killed god and in his place we have put science. Maybe technology will let us exist on a higher plane devoid of our bodies
 
Contarini said:
The same way anyone else is. Because your views are diametrically opposed to those of traditional Christianity.

Orthodox Christians do not think that sex should be indulged in without restraint. In fact, almost no one does think that–ancient pagans certainly didn’t. Actually many ancient pagans despised the body, and arguably that’s where early Christians got it from, though it was intensified in them by their apocalyptic ethic. However, the strain of Christianity from which we all derive today held firmly to the intrinsic goodness of the body.

Agreed. This is an obvious straw man.

Your alias indicates that you have some interest in late antiquity. I recommend that you read Peter Brown’s The Body and Society sometime.

Edwin
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Mainy supposed saints have held my view on the body. Many pagan religions used sex as a form of worship much the same as catholics do. Its disgusting
 
kentuckyliz said:
Manicheanism did, modern paganism both worships and despises the body…I don’t know about Sol’s religion but this attitude has existed. Ancient Greeks also saw the noble immaterial soul trapped in a nasty body.
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I did not know that . Thank you. I learn something new every day on this forum. Now I will have to look up Manicheanism.🙂
 
Sol_Invictus said:
We really are just animals. We have killed god and in his place we have put science. Maybe technology will let us exist on a higher plane devoid of our bodies
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right,

*Have you not heard of that madman who lit a lantern in the bright morning hours, ran to the market-place, and cried incessantly: “I am looking for God! I am looking for God!”
As many of those who did not believe in God were standing together there, he excited considerable laughter. Have you lost him, then? said one. Did he lose his way like a child? said another. Or is he hiding? Is he afraid of us? Has he gone on a voyage? or emigrated? Thus they shouted and laughed. The madman sprang into their midst and pierced them with his glances.

“Where has God gone?” he cried. “I shall tell you. We have killed him - you and I. We are his murderers. But how have we done this? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the entire horizon? What did we do when we unchained the earth from its sun? Whither is it moving now? Whither are we moving now? Away from all suns? Are we not perpetually falling? Backward, sideward, forward, in all directions? Is there any up or down left? Are we not straying as through an infinite nothing? Do we not feel the breath of empty space? Has it not become colder? Is it not more and more night coming on all the time? Must not lanterns be lit in the morning? Do we not hear anything yet of the noise of the gravediggers who are burying God? Do we not smell anything yet of God’s decomposition? Gods too decompose. God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves? That which was the holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet possessed has bled to death under our knives. Who will wipe this blood off us? With what water could we purify ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we not ourselves become gods simply to be worthy of it? There has never been a greater deed; and whosoever shall be born after us - for the sake of this deed he shall be part of a higher history than all history hitherto.”

Here the madman fell silent and again regarded his listeners; and they too were silent and stared at him in astonishment. At last he threw his lantern to the ground, and it broke and went out. “I have come too early,” he said then; “my time has not come yet. The tremendous event is still on its way, still travelling - it has not yet reached the ears of men. Lightning and thunder require time, the light of the stars requires time, deeds require time even after they are done, before they can be seen and heard. This deed is still more distant from them than the distant stars - and yet they have done it themselves.”

It has been further related that on that same day the madman entered divers churches and there sang a requiem. Led out and quietened, he is said to have retorted each time: “what are these churches now if they are not the tombs and sepulchres of God?”*

This is kind of old news.

Anyway, we have not replaced God with Science, perhapse some have replaced religiosity with scientism, however that’s quite another story.
 
Sol_Invictus said:
Mainy supposed saints have held my view on the body. Many pagan religions used sex as a form of worship much the same as catholics do. Its disgusting
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It might become convincing if you present here your references or links.
 
ribozyme said:
I do not know what I want to do for my career. Maybe, I should design drugs or identify potential targets…I feel that these results have meaning (especially in patients lives). I also feel accomplishing something similar to those aforementioned drugs might afford me with a sense of accomplishment and the satisfaction that I am actively reducing suffering… I do feel this is something I would be proud to do as it would benefit the infirm and I would help humanity, not simply increasing a company’s bottom line and profits.
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I am not sure why a person with such a negative view of the body and the desire to be free of it (or to have never been trapped in it at all) would be inspired to go into pharmaceutical research and medicine…which is helping other people to preserve their nasty bodies and keeping their souls trapped.

Also, better get used to your lifesaving work generating profit, because it does. Even if you work in a non-profit setting. Call it “economic Darwinism.” The market rewards those who produce useful ideas and products. Don’t worry, it doesn’t taint your noble motives.
 
Maybe this will answer your Question,

vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p1s2c1p4.htm#299
God creates an ordered and good world
[299](javascript:openWindow(‘cr/299.htm’)😉 Because God creates through wisdom, his creation is ordered: "You have arranged all things by measure and number and weight."151 The universe, created in and by the eternal Word, the “image of the invisible God”, is destined for and addressed to man, himself created in the “image of God” and called to a personal relationship with God.152 Our human understanding, which shares in the light of the divine intellect, can understand what God tells us by means of his creation, though not without great effort and only in a spirit of humility and respect before the Creator and his work.153 Because creation comes forth from God’s goodness, it shares in that goodness - "And God saw that it was good. . . very good"154- for God willed creation as a gift addressed to man, an inheritance destined for and entrusted to him. On many occasions the Church has had to defend the goodness of creation, including that of the physical world.155
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Jim C Cunningham’s book Nudity & Christianity explains this subject very well and will give you a thorough understanding of it.

Mayo
 
How can anyone say the human body is a thing of beauty? To say that God would create something so filthy and disgusting contradicts the idea of Divine perfection.

What you’re saying is not Christianity but Gnosticism.
 
Sol_Invictus said:
How can anyone say the human body is a thing of beauty? To say that God would create something so filthy and disgusting contradicts the idea of Divine perfection. This is precisely the problem with modern culture.

So, tell me why I’m wrong!
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Our bodies are balanced. There is male and female which compliment one another and bring new life. There are systems for nutrition and removing waste. If we cannot see God’s image in us, it is WE who need our eyes examined.

You know you are wrong. You know your claim is unfounded. If you didn’t know this, you would not have asked such a question.
 
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