Why not Orthodox?

[minux]

Why Eastern Rite and not Orthodoxy? What I mean is: Eastern Rite has close theological similarities and practices to Orthodoxy it seems, so as Eastern Rite Catholics, have you ever considered Orthodoxy to be the truth. If so, did you convert to Orthodoxy or did you stay Eastern Rite? And what was your reason for doing either of those?

The logic of orthodoxy is fundamentally flawed. Our Savior left the Church to one person on Earth. Our Savior could have selected 12 people, but chose one. Ideally, we should all work together to make a Church work for all people. I believe in the Church, because it was the Church of Peter and Our Savior entrusted Peter. Our Savior specifically told us to be obedient and to not rebel, so you can not say, o, Russian/Greek/Coptic is “more true,” because schisms were never about Truth, were they? And, if they were, at what expense? Truth at the expense of Our Saviors words? For a Christian to schism away from Rome goes directly against the words of Our Savior.

Regardless of why I did something, find a Church/something that enables you to Walk with God. We should all be so lucky.

 

[Mary888]

Wow. You just blew me away.

Why me? Did I make these rules?

 

[1inICXC]

I have never heard of the three schisms. Where can I find more information on that.

Also, the orthodox blame the Catholic Church for the sacking of Constantinople, it’s hard to surmount that one.

 

[babochka]

Also, the orthodox blame the Catholic Church for the sacking of Constantinople, it’s hard to surmount that one.

Hmmm… Blaming people today for events that occurred 800 years ago. Sounds perfectly logical.

But again, I don’t think that it is fair to say that the Orthodox as a whole still hold this against the Catholic Church in any meaningful way. I don’t believe that the sack of Constantinople is a major stumbling block to unity today, other than as part of a general anti-Roman attitude among some Orthodox Christians.

 

[DeoVindice1863]

The Orthodox Church is not united. They constantly break communion off with each other. I was just reading an article about how on Mount Athos, Russian Orthodox are not supposed to receive Communion, but there is one Monastery that allows them to! Need I say more? As a Catholic, you know you can receive Communion at any Catholic Church, whereas as an Orthodox you have to find out who you are in Communion with. And not just Old Calendarists and New Calendarists, or the Russian Orthodox and Greek Orthodox etc, but even Monasteries apparently. How do I know who is right and who I should be in communion with when they each say they’re right in breaking off communion with each other and there is no Pope to appeal to. Neither is there an Ecumenical Council to appeal to, since that cannot be called due to schism.

 

[StAugustine]

How about 1180 with the slaughter of the Latins IN Constantinople?

 

[StAugustine]

Antioch ceased communion with Jerusalem over property.

 

[StAugustine]

Read the outcome of the union attempts of Lyons and Florence: the Greeks sign then reject it in capitulation to the laity.

 

[ziapueblo]

The Orthodox Church is not united.

Breaking communion with another Church is an ancient practice. Breaks between Antioch and Jerusalem, Russia and Constantinople, all have to do with politics. This has nothing to do with canonicity.

ZP

 

[DeoVindice1863]

What is the difference between Eastern Catholic and “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” if you don’t mind me asking?

 

[Salibi]

It’s actually a thing. The Orthodox view unity differently from Catholics, to them unity is having the same liturgy and believing in the same faith rather than being in communion. Breaking communion is a punitive measure an Orthodox church takes against another church. The Coptic Orthodox and the Greek Orthodox are in schism, for example, but they acknowledge each other’s “Orthodoxy “, to my knowledge.

 

[Salibi]

Eastern Catholics are called to return to and re-embrace their ecclesiastical heritage, which happens to be Orthodox.

 

[DeoVindice1863]

One cannot be truly Orthodox and Catholic at the same time though, correct? This is why I have heard Orthodox disapprove of the term “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” before. Eastern Catholicism is not the totally same as Eastern Orthodoxy.

 

[DeoVindice1863]

See above ^^^^^

 

[ziapueblo]

One cannot be truly Orthodox and Catholic at the same time though, correct?

Sure you can.

This is why I have heard Orthodox disapprove of the term “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” before.

Some might not approve.

Eastern Catholicism is not the totally same as Eastern Orthodoxy.

We share the same liturgy, lectionary, theology. Only difference is communion with Rome.

ZP

 

[StAugustine]

I hope not…lol. Or you are anathematizing brothers behind their backs.

 

[dochawk]

Read the outcome of the union attempts of Lyons and Florence: the Greeks sign then reject it in capitulation to the laity.

You clearly don’t understand the Eastern understanding of councils and their acceptance.

Thinking that the delegates have authority to commit and bind is quite distinctly western . . . most comparable would be the equally odd notion that papal ratification was not necessary . . .

One cannot be truly Orthodox and Catholic at the same time though, correct?

No, quite incorrect.

Read the last few popes and almost all of the Melkite bishops . . .

 

[StAugustine]

So where are the Catholic Hesychastic clairvoyant elders?

 

[ziapueblo]

Well, I don’t know about “clairvoyant” elders but I bet Abbot Nicholas at Holy Resurrection Monastery, Romanian Greek Catholic, in St. Nazianz can hook you up with some great spiritual guidance.

ZP

 

[OrbisNonSufficit]

One cannot be truly Orthodox and Catholic at the same time though, correct?

One can adhere to Eastern theological tradition and rite, which is effectively same as in Orthodox Church. But to imply one can be truly Orthodox and Catholic at the same time is either figure of speech to imply the above sentence, or it is “serving two masters”.

Eastern Catholicism is not the totally same as Eastern Orthodoxy.

Yes, Eastern Catholics are authentic parts of One True Church, Catholic Church. Eastern Catholics are not just people who converted from Eastern Orthodoxy- some, like Maronites, remained in communion with Catholics since… forever

his is why I have heard Orthodox disapprove of the term “Orthodox in Communion with Rome” before.

Uh yeah, because they feel like it diminishes them. And some Eastern Catholics think, rightfully imo, that it diminishes them too as being only nominally part of Catholic Church. Eastern tradition is historically tradition of Catholic Church, but most of Eastern Church broke away. Eastern Catholics have full right to practice their own heritage and tradition, and to adhere to their own rite as long as they do not delve into heresy of indifferentism or modernism- same would be true for all Latin Catholics.