Why should abortion be rare?

  • Thread starter Thread starter estesbob
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
Fitswimmer said:
I’d like to see some proof for that. People disobey civil laws every single day and think nothing of it-even “good Catholics”. How many people do you see speeding on the highway-and how many people die in traffic deaths each year?
Click to expand...
In the years prioir to Roe V Wade there were aproximately 400,000 abortions a year. Now we have three times that. What changed?

I have a feeling that you vote for pro-abortion canidates and your posts are is all about rationalizing it.
 
estesbob said:
In the years prioir to Roe V Wade there were aproximately 400,000 abortions a year. Now we have three times that. What changed?

I have a feeling that you vote for pro-abortion canidates and your posts are is all about rationalizing it.
Click to expand...
You know who I vote for??

Ok, now tell me what I’m wearing! ROTFL!!!
 
estesbob said:
That preety confirms my suspicions.
Click to expand...
You have no more knowledge of who I voted for than I do of who you voted for-all you know is what you suspect and ASSUME. And we all know about ASSUMING…

Being as I’ve been a pro-life volunteer for over 20 years…well, assume that one…
 
estesbob said:
Tht mantra from the pro-abortion side has been that abortion should be safe, legal and rare(although the Democrat party has now dropped the “rare” from their platform.)

If abortion is a “right” for women what should the excercising of that right be rare? OTH if abortion is wrong why should it be allowed at all?
Click to expand...
Since a majority of aborted babies are likely future Democrats, their math certainly doesn’t add up. They dropped the adjective “rare” because they are posing it as a true right, one which cannot be infringed. Therefore, it shouldn’t be rare.

I am waiting for the courts (9th Circuit California?) to determine, under the sixth amendment, that the father also has a right to abort his child. Want to stop abortion? This decision would shake it up…
 
I’m a pro-life volunteer. I just don’t see why it has to be “all-or-nothing” all the time, especially when we as Catholics are called to be consistent on this issue. Or why we can’t also put measures into play to protect kids and women AFTER birth as well as before.

I guess it’s because I operate on a different definition of pro life. To me, it’s not just against abortion, it’s also anti-death penalty, anti-euthanasia, anti-embryonic stem cell research, etc, and also supporting a quality of life, like measures to help the poor and all that stuff. I also am concerned about the war and stuff like that (and our reasons for going. I do support the troops, I have family in the Marines).

Sadly, there is not one candidate who supports all of these 😦
 
po18guy said:
Since a majority of aborted babies are likely future Democrats, their math certainly doesn’t add up. They dropped the adjective “rare” because they are posing it as a true right, one which cannot be infringed. Therefore, it shouldn’t be rare.

I am waiting for the courts (9th Circuit California?) to determine, under the sixth amendment, that the father also has a right to abort his child. Want to stop abortion? This decision would shake it up…
Click to expand...
No wonder the Republican party hasn’t ended abortion yet…
 
Hey, don’t slam all Democrats! I’m a Republican but I know plenty of pro-life Democrats. Dems are not bad people! My roommate and one of my best friends is Catholic and a Democrat!

Don’t forget, Catholics were Democrats before abortion was even an issue.
 
sanctamaria17 said:
Hey, don’t slam all Democrats! I’m a Republican but I know plenty of pro-life Democrats. Dems are not bad people! My roommate and one of my best friends is Catholic and a Democrat!

Don’t forget, Catholics were Democrats before abortion was even an issue.
Click to expand...
Democrat=Baby Killer these days.
 
Trust me, I know that:) Honestly, some people act like the easiest way to Hell is by joining the Democratic Party…(not all people, but some people, and sadly, I’ve met people like that in person).

And it isn’t just abortion. It feels like you support anything that can be branded as liberal, you might as well join the Communist Party or something…I know I get criticized for it and I’m Republican! And pro-life!
 
Fitswimmer said:
You have no more knowledge of who I voted for than I do of who you voted for-all you know is what you suspect and ASSUME. And we all know about ASSUMING…

Being as I’ve been a pro-life volunteer for over 20 years…well, assume that one…
Click to expand...
Its reall easy to resolve Do you vote for canidates who support abortion on demand. Specifically would you or have you voted for a Presidential canidate who supports abortion on demand. My answer to both is no. How about you?? I.
 
sanctamaria17 said:
Trust me, I know that:) Honestly, some people act like the easiest way to Hell is by joining the Democratic Party…(not all people, but some people, and sadly, I’ve met people like that in person).

And it isn’t just abortion. It feels like you support anything that can be branded as liberal, you might as well join the Communist Party or something…I know I get criticized for it and I’m Republican! And pro-life!
Click to expand...
Abortion is the original sin iof the Demcorat party. No matter how much one may admire the positions they take it can not wash away the blood of 50 million children.
 
sanctamaria17 said:
Trust me, I know that:) Honestly, some people act like the easiest way to Hell is by joining the Democratic Party…(not all people, but some people, and sadly, I’ve met people like that in person).

And it isn’t just abortion. It feels like you support anything that can be branded as liberal, you might as well join the Communist Party or something…I know I get criticized for it and I’m Republican! And pro-life!
Click to expand...
I’ve noticed an increase in Black/White thinking over the past 10 years or so and it makes me sad. I remember an interview with President Ford and he was talking about Tip O’Neill, a politician with whom he disagreed on practically everything. However, when the day was over, they could raise a glass together and considered each other friends. That kind of attitude is gone as they both are, and I mourn it’s passing.
 
estesbob said:
Its reall easy to resolve Do you vote for canidates who support abortion on demand. Specifically would you or have you voted for a Presidential canidate who supports abortion on demand. My answer to both is no. How about you?? I.
Click to expand...
OK, as much as I find it despicable that anyone would demand that someone confess their voting history…Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Bush (I think I missed a couple in there…but you get the idea)
 
estesbob said:
Abortion is the original sin iof the Demcorat party. No matter how much one may admire the positions they take it can not wash away the blood of 50 million children.
Click to expand...
Yet not all Democrats support it. In PA, I’ve been told there exist a few Senators who are politically pro-life and Democrats. My PA friends told me about those.
 
Fitswimmer said:
I’d like to see some proof for that.
Click to expand...
What sort of “proof” do you need? It is a moral understanding not a scientific one.

Please see folks like our Pope:
The scope of the civil law is certainly more limited than that of the moral law,(11) but civil law cannot contradict right reason without losing its binding force on conscience.(12) Every humanly-created law is legitimate insofar as it is consistent with the natural moral law, recognized by right reason, and insofar as it respects the inalienable rights of every person…
Click to expand...
…Civil laws are structuring principles of man’s life in society, for good or for ill. They “play a very important and sometimes decisive role in influencing patterns of thought and behaviour”.(14) Lifestyles and the underlying presuppositions these express not only externally shape the life of society, but also tend to modify the younger generation’s perception and evaluation of forms of behaviour…
Click to expand...
And from the CCC:
"The moment a positive law deprives a category of human beings of the protection which civil legislation ought to accord them, the state is denying the equality of all before the law. When the state does not place its power at the service of the rights of each citizen, and in particular of the more vulnerable, the very foundations of a state based on law are undermined. . . . As a consequence of the respect and protection which must be ensured for the unborn child from the moment of conception, the law must provide appropriate penal sanctions for every deliberate violation of the child’s rights."81
Click to expand...
People disobey civil laws every single day and think nothing of it-even “good Catholics”. How many people do you see speeding on the highway-and how many people die in traffic deaths each year?
Click to expand...
So what? How many more would speed if there were no laws at all?
 
Fitswimmer said:
OK, as much as I find it despicable that anyone would demand that someone confess their voting history…Reagan, Reagan, Bush, Bush, Bush (I think I missed a couple in there…but you get the idea)
Click to expand...
Thank you for answering. I apologize for jumping to incorrect conclusions.

My record by the way is McGovern, Carter, Reagan, Bush, Dole, Bush.

Carter was last pro-life Democrat to gain the presidential nomination of the party.

As to why I voted for McGovern? "Those you are not liberal when they are young have no heart, those who reamain liberal as they mature have no mind:D "
 
sanctamaria17 said:
Yet not all Democrats support it. In PA, I’ve been told there exist a few Senators who are politically pro-life and Democrats. My PA friends told me about those.
Click to expand...
Except for the current ones. The supposedly pro-life Senator from Pennsylvania has voted pro- abortion on the only vote on the matter since you took office
 
estesbob said:
Tht mantra from the pro-abortion side has been that abortion should be safe, legal and rare(although the Democrat party has now dropped the “rare” from their platform.)

If abortion is a “right” for women what should the excercising of that right be rare? OTH if abortion is wrong why should it be allowed at all?
Click to expand...
I have asked many times why abortion should be rare if it is acceptable?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top