Why should I remain Catholic vs. become a Buddhist or a Hindu?

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AlNg said:
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Hindus and Buddhists
But not the Catholic Church.
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What has been the teaching on torture?
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You tell me. Please produce the official Teaching so that I can verify that you are telling the truth.
 
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AlNg said:
It is going to be off topic
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So why’d you bring it up?
so I won’t go into detail.
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But you want me to? Neh. You brought it up, either go into detail or drop it.
I recommend the article in the New Catholic Encyclopedia (green books) on torture. …
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The New Catholic Encyclopedia is not official Catholic Doctrine. You’ll have to do better.
 
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De_Maria said:
So why’d you bring it up?
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Because you said about Hinduism and Buddhism: “The fact is that their history is of disparate groups all teaching contradicting ideas.”
De_Maria said:
The New Catholic Encyclopedia is not official Catholic Doctrine. You’ll have to do better.
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Read the papal bulls of Pope Innocent IV. And contrast those papal bulls with what the present Pope has said.
BTW, i am flabbergasted that you would not accept what the New Catholic Encyclopedia has said about the papal bull ad extirpanda. The article has received ecclesiastical approval.
 
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AlNg said:
Because you said about Hinduism and Buddhism: “The fact is that their history is of disparate groups all teaching contradicting ideas.”
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Do they have the equivalent of a pope?
Do they have a singular organization that runs under a single rule?

If they do, please provide a link to their official website. I’d like to see it.
Read the papal bulls of Pope Innocent IV.
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Provide them. You seem to be objecting about something. So, please provide the evidence you claim exists. I’m not going to do the research for you.
 
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De_Maria said:
Provide them
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Papal bulls are readily available to the general public. And so is the New Catholic Encyclopedia which was published with ecclesiastical approval. It is surprising that you do not accept the New Catholic encyclopedia as a reference to the papal documents of Pope Innocent IV.
 
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De_Maria said:
Then you have no excuse.
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You mentioned contradicting ideas of disparate religious groups. You have not responded to the fact that the Catholic teaching on torture has varied.
One pope says that torture is a mortal sin.
Another pope issued a papal bull ad extirpanda which is used by the Inquisition to justify the use of torture under certain conditions.
 
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AlNg said:
You mentioned contradicting ideas of disparate religious groups.
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And also the fact that they are not organized under one government.
You have not responded to the fact that the Catholic teaching on torture has varied.
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You have not provided any evidence that this is true.
One pope says that torture is a mortal sin.
Another pope issued a papal bull ad extirpanda which is used by the Inquisition to justify the use of torture under certain conditions.
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I’m not going to do the research for you. You are making the claim. Provide the evidence to support your claim.
 
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De_Maria said:
Provide the evidence to support your claim.
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I have already provided the evidence. Let me know what more you want.
  1. Torture is gravely wrong. Do you agree that this is the present teaching of the Catholic church?
  2. Pope" Innocent IV, had mandated for the newly established Inquisition the use of confession-extracting torture (with a severity only stopping short of danger to life and limb) for those accused of heresy." (CAF article).
    Do you deny that Pope Innocent IV did this?
    Do you see the contradiction between 1 and 2 or do you think that there is no contradiction between them?
    If you need further references, other than the New Catholic encyclopedia (written with ecclesiastical approval), please see the following books by Henry Charles Lea:
A History of the Inquisition of the Middle Ages In Three Volumes.

A History of the Inquisition of Spain 4 volumes
 
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The Catholic Church is “superior” because she was founded by God incarnate for our salvation, rather than developed from human efforts to understand suffering and natural phenomena. Of course, this assertion is part of the faith. We also should not deny that there is some truth in other religions inspired by God, as grace is not limited, nor that there is corruption in the church introduced by human sin. Still, the church is at root a divine revelation entering human history, and eastern esoteric religions are human speculation about the divine.

Jesus taught a religion of love: willing the good of the other and ourselves — per se — not as means to an end but as essential to the meaning of life. What could be superior to this absolute embrace of existence in its perfect expression of self-gift? Christianity is a religion about hope: that this life can lead to eternal happiness and total fulfilment.

Hinduism and Buddhism are not, ultimately, about love, or even life; they are about escaping the suffering of existence. Hinduism and Buddhism are about despair: our existence is doomed and eternal happiness is impossible because it is precisely our very existence that prevents it, a tragic contradiction.

It’s all in Shakespeare: To Be, or Not To Be? That is the question. How you answer it determines the superiority of the gospel, or the wheel of dharma.
 
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Neithan said:
Jesus taught a religion of love
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Love your neighbor as yourself. Love the Lord thy God. Yes. This is good. However, what has me stymied is the use of the word hate in the following:
Luke 14:26 (ESV) “If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.”
I am stymied, because I don’t think that I could ever hate my father or my mother.
Buddha is reported to have said: " Parents are
worthy of offerings, because the mother and father do much for children. They bring
them up, nourish them, and introduce them to the world." No matter where the
parents may be when the children grow older, they should visit their parents and
offer them all their requisites and gifts. That is why the Buddha said they are worthy
of offerings.
“I declare that one can never repay two people, namely mother and father. Even if
one carries about one’s mother on one shoulder and one’s father on the other, and
doing so would live a hundred years… Even if one establishes one’s parents in
supreme authority, in the absolute supremacy over all the world… even then one
could not repay them. Why so? The reason is that parents do much for their
children; they give life to them, nourish and bring them up, and introduce them to
the world.”
(Anguttara Nikáya II, 4.2)
In the Sigalovada Sutta we read that
(1) As the parents have supported the child, so should the child support the parents.
Sons and daughters should support their parents. They should wait upon them
when they are sick or old. In fact they should deem it a great blessing and privilege
to minister to, wait upon, and look after their parents when they become helpless,
old, or destitute.
(2) The child should do the parents’ duties. Children should always try to
understand the needs of their parents, and they must try to provide them to the best
of their abilities. Children should not hesitate to provide anything that their parents
require for their satisfaction. They should see to the comfort and happiness of their
parents.
Buddhism teaches loving kindness (metta) towards one’s parents because after all, according to the Buddha, the family is the nucleus of society.
 
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That’s a good passage and makes me think of a similarity between Buddhism and Christianity: detachment, even from worldly relationships. That is the sense of “hate” here: do not love anyone or anything in this world as if this life depends on this world. The difference is in the end: for Buddhism, the end is cessation of being in nirvana; for Christianity, the end is fulfilment of being in heaven. Since love is about willing the good, and the good must be, then anything that impedes this must be hated. This is essentially what sin is: willing a lesser good. I hope that helps.
 
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AlNg said:
Some Catholics believe that torture should be allowed in special cases, others say no. And there is variance in belief on whether or not capital punishment is justified. There is also variance on fasting regulations and the date of Easter. And there is variance on whether, as a general rule, Catholic priests should be married or unmarried.
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These are trivial matters the Catholic faith is the faith of dogma.

I believe in one God the Father almighty maker of heaven and Earth and in Jesus Christ his son who was born of the Virgin Mary suffered under Pontious Pilot was Crucified died and was burried. He decended into he’ll and acendeded into heaven from there he will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy spirit. The Holy Catholic Church. The communion of Saints the ressurection of the body and life in the world to come.

See also the seven sacraments of the Holy spirit.

If you don’t believe all of that you aren’t a full Catholic. Infact some Dogma exists that comes with an automatic excommunication.
 
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AlNg said:
Torture is gravely wrong. Do you agree that this is the present teaching of the Catholic church
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Can you define torcher?

Waiting for my coffee pot is torcher, but it’s not gravely wrong.

Spanking a child is a form of torcher.

Government’s still use physical torcher because it’s effective. The Church did Europeans a great mercy by putting limits on it.

Torcher for the sake of torcher is naturally wrong.
And would be gravely immoral.
 
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Not sure whether Catholicism is superior to either Hinduism & Buddhism or not sure they are superior to Catholicism. You must have read something or had thoughts along a particular line which prompted you to ask the question in the first place.

Going on how you phrased the question in your opening post, perhaps you don’t think Catholicism is?

Or are you wanting forum members to convince you Catholicism is superior and provide proof that it is?

Does your question stem because you are considering leaving Catholicism and taking up either of the other belief systems?
 
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Maximus_Power said:
the Catholic faith is the faith of dogma.

I believe in one God the Father almighty maker of heaven and Earth and in Jesus Christ his son who was born of the Virgin Mary suffered under Pontious Pilot was Crucified died and was burried. He decended into he’ll and acendeded into heaven from there he will come again to judge the living and the dead. I believe in the Holy spirit. The Holy Catholic Church. The communion of Saints the ressurection of the body and life in the world to come.

See also the seven sacraments of the Holy spirit.
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The Eastern Orthodox believe all this and yet they were excommunicated in 1054.
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These are trivial matters
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If a married priesthood is a trivial matter, why in 1054 did the papal legate Humbertus mention it as a reason to excommunicate Patriarch Michael Cerularius?
 
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