I couldn’t agree more. No one is perfect But who has remained the most like the early Church? Why is there a vast difference between a Catholic Mass and say a holiness service? It comes down to tradition and scripture. Most couldn’t read along time ago not to mention a printing press was not always available.
The only time I’ve seen someone baptized more than once was when someone came forward and said that their original profession of faith wasn’t genuine and requested to be baptized as a believer. I’ve never seen someone have to be baptized again when they changed baptist churches. My wife was a Methodist who was baptized by immersion as a Methodist and she didn’t have to be re-baptized to join the Baptist Church.
So it is okay to ask people to come to faith in Christ, just not after a sermon, in public, when a hymn is being played? What does it matter if we are doing things they way they did things 1800 years ago or 40 years ago. Cultures change, the way people see religion changes. Shouldn’t the church present the gospel in the best way to reach people in their community. I’m not saying the alter call is the best way but it is a valid way.
Now that you explained it I actually agree with you. That is definitely an issue, especially in the more rural churches. This is legalism and it effects many churches.
I think that Apostles both taught orally and in written form. If Paul or Peter comes and talks to me then I will certainly follow their teachings. There is a lot of claims as to what their oral teachings were but we know what the written teaching are.
The last pastor we had was a Methodist baptized as a infant. When I talked to him about infant baptism he said it was a valid baptism. I’ve always noticed the differences that Baptist could argue amongst themselves. Much less any other denomination. Please forgive any typos I’m on my phone and I have fat construction worker thumbs. Lol
Any group of people tend to argue among themselves. Baptist are no exception. Heck, I’m amazed at seeing the conversations among Catholics on this board.
Ha, ha. What is the difference between baptist and methodist? Methodist say hi to each other at the liquor store.
That was a pic I put on my Facebook profile a couple of years ago at Easter. Of course, if you ask a Baptist why their cross is empty they will say “Because Christ is no longer on the cross. He rose again to give us victory over sin and death”.
OK but the gospel never says Jesus gave a 60 minute sermon afterward. My point is if you are their to worship what does the Pastors 60 minute opinion have to do with how the Apostles intended us to worship? Shouldn’t he just read an entire Chapter and leave it at that? After all what we are talking about here is that you are claiming here that his opinion shouldn’t be able to sway you one way or the other? If the Bible is so self evident to all why does he need to have his opinion get in the way? I’m not seeing anywhere in the Gospel that shows us the Apostles taught while all the Christians gathered together to worship?
Note outright specifics but if I was to read the Bible myself and walk into your church it would make me scratch my head because I do see a long sermon but I do see
Yes but the difference is if anyone of the Catholic Churches you listed rejects any part of the Catechism’s teachings then they aren’t Catholic. So no it is not the same.
And depending on which Sunday you are there you would see all of that. Baptist fast, pray, give, serve, have an order of worship and take the Lords’ Supper.
I know you believe this but where is your evidence for this? Anyone can make this claim but no where in the early writings do we hear this claim being made. However, over and over we hear the claim of appealing to the authority of the Catholic Church.
Well if they weren’t perfect how do you know they got it right when it comes to the Bible?
I mean no offense with this, but you don’t come across that way.
I don’t mean to butt into this conversation with @Larryk113 but this quote made me wonder what God thinks.
I apologize if I came of this way. I meant no disrespect. I’ve went back to the Mark 7 discourse and will try and be more clear.
In Mark 7:1-8 we see the Pharisees asking Jesus why he doesn’t hold to the traditions of the elders, (in this case the ceremonial washings that were not commanded in Scripture but were part of the oral tradition of the Pharisees). The Pharisees honored the oral law to a greater extent than the written law. That is why Christ tells them You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to human traditions. They had made it a requirement to honor the oral law (all the rules and ceremonies required by the Pharisees) in order to be a Jew in good standing even though the oral law was the commands of men and not the commands of God.
This is from a Catholic Apologist Site:
Well I think God wants us to love him and love others. He wants us to share His love with our friends and neighbors. He wants us to give Him glory and honor.
Ultimately I trust the sovereignty of God. I trust that he revealed which documents were to be used as scriptures and His providence insured that what became Scripture was His will.