Why shouldn't praise and worship music be in the Mass?

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As a former Evangelical, I don’t miss P & W music at all.
I also don’t miss the liturgies that feature it. If I wanted that stuff, I’d go back to being a Protestant.

May the Church be delivered from P & W music, and that bland pablum which, to paraphrase Michael Davies, is rightly called “that which purports to be a folk idiom, most notable for its almost heroic banality”!

3 weeks ago, I visited a Parish that featured music that sounded like a bad version of Burt Bacharach…complete with out of tune guitars and voice…what a trial to have to endure that…especially during Mass! :eek: :banghead:

Thank God for Gregorian Chant! Long live Tradition!

By the way, loving Tradition DOES NOT mean that I want a time machine! LOL
 
As a former Evangelical, I don’t miss P & W music at all.
I also don’t miss the liturgies that feature it. If I wanted that stuff, I’d go back to being a Protestant.

May the Church be delivered from P & W music, and that bland pablum which, to paraphrase Michael Davies, is rightly called “that which purports to be a folk idiom, most notable for its almost heroic banality”!

3 weeks ago, I visited a Parish that featured music that sounded like a bad version of Burt Bacharach…complete with out of tune guitars and voice…what a trial to have to endure that…especially during Mass! :eek: :banghead:

Thank God for Gregorian Chant! Long live Tradition!

By the way, loving Tradition DOES NOT mean that I want a time machine! LOL
 
As a former Evangelical, I don’t miss P & W music at all.
I also don’t miss the liturgies that feature it. If I wanted that stuff, I’d go back to being a Protestant.

May the Church be delivered from P & W music, and that bland pablum which, to paraphrase Michael Davies, is rightly called “that which purports to be a folk idiom, most notable for its almost heroic banality”!

3 weeks ago, I visited a Parish that featured music that sounded like a bad version of Burt Bacharach…complete with out of tune guitars and voice…what a trial to have to endure that…especially during Mass! :eek: :banghead:

Thank God for Gregorian Chant! Long live Tradition!

By the way, loving Tradition DOES NOT mean that I want a time machine! LOL
 
VociMike said:
I’ve often wondered why there is this connection. Why has the Charismatic movement adopted this particular style of music as its own? It’s not obvious on the surface why the two should be so closely linked.
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An excellent question, Mike.

Speaking as someone from the covenant communities / shepherding / discipleship movement, I think the reason was that most of these groups were started by young idealists (in my community, the leaders met at an anti-Vietnam War rally) who liked this sort of music. And folks in these groups like Charles Christmas, Stuart Dauermann, Donald Fishel, and others began writing the sort of music that fit the era. It’s obvious why they didn’t go for the Ray Repp/Jack Miffleton sort of songs, but I guess to them traditional Church music didn’t suffice.

Perhaps more significant is the fact that just about all of these groups were ecumenical from the get-go. The influence of other churches/denominations came in quickly, and our communities really liked the worship sounds of the Vineyard. Some of their P&W music was quite good. Others, like this song written by Vineyard founder John Wimber, not so much:

*Isn’t He (isn’t He)
Beautiful (beautiful) ?
Beautiful (beautiful)
Isn’t He (isn’t He) ?
Prince of peace
Son of God, isn’t He?

Isn’t He (isn’t He)
Wonderful (wonderful) ?
Wonderful (wonderful)
Isn’t He (isn’t He) ?
Counselor,
Almighty God, isn’t He?
Isn‘t He? Isn‘t He?

Yes You are (yes You are)
Beautiful (beautiful)!
Beautiful (beautiful)
Yes You are (yes You are)!
Prince of peace
Son of God, yes You are!

Yes You are (yes You are)
Wonderful (wonderful) !
Wonderful (wonderful)
Yes You are (yes You are)!
Counselor,
Almighty God, yes You are!*

And the line “Yes, you are” was often repeated ad nauseam. We guys used to sing among ourselves, “Isn’t He . . . masculine?” 😉

I’m there’s much more to that question that needs to be answered, but that’s my best start at it.
 
Cygnus_X1 said:
Joe, I’ll remember that the next time we chant the Divine Mercy Chaplet. 😃
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The Divine Mercy Chaplet is a devotion…not the Mass…😃

And thank you for posting this thread. I, as you, think the dialogue on the subject has brought out much.

Please continue…I too have been interested as to how all this stuff got started in the Charismatic movement…Your experience is most helpful in understanding it…Thanks for the links.

Joe B
 
Cygnus_X1 said:
I’ll be happy to tell George Misulia of Crossroads Music that his songs “Come, Holy Spirit,” “Let The Fire Fall,” “I Worship You Alone,” “Upon This Rock,” etc. are all trash.

Better yet, YOU tell him.
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And what is George doing these days? I was just listening to one of his earliest recordings this morning and wishing he and Carey and Francis had recorded more stuff. Did George carry on Crossroads by himself?
 
violetandgandal said:
Did George carry on Crossroads by himself?
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Yes, he did. For quite a few years he was sending music to me, in hopes that my band would record some more of his music (we recorded one of his songs on our first album). He had some good stuff there, but it just didn’t fit with what we were doing.
 
Michael_Welter said:
Yes, he did. For quite a few years he was sending music to me, in hopes that my band would record some more of his music (we recorded one of his songs on our first album). He had some good stuff there, but it just didn’t fit with what we were doing.
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Hi Michael, or should I say “Hi neighbor”? Greetings from Running Springs! (I know it’s a few miles away, but not THAT far! LOL)
I see that you have a studio. Do you record for yourself alone or do you record other music there as well?

Dominus Vobiscum,

Johnny
 
ReConverted said:
I see that you have a studio. Do you record for yourself alone or do you record other music there as well?
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Hi, Johnny. I don’t record myself. That would scare too many people. The Upper Room Studios is a catholic ministry with a mission of helping the Word be heard. I record catholic artists, and I also do live sound for catholic events. Hey, are you going to UnityFest, in Colton, tomorrow evening? I’m doing the sound for that.
 
Michael_Welter said:
Hi, Johnny. I don’t record myself. That would scare too many people. The Upper Room Studios is a catholic ministry with a mission of helping the Word be heard. I record catholic artists, and I also do live sound for catholic events. Hey, are you going to UnityFest, in Colton, tomorrow evening? I’m doing the sound for that.
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I’ve never heard of UnityFest. What is it? Sadly, I’m booked up tomorrow. 😦
 
ReConverted said:
I’ve never heard of UnityFest. What is it? Sadly, I’m booked up tomorrow. 😦
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It’s a Catholic event, featuring three different musical groups, and a guest speaker. It all starts with a rosary at 5 PM.
 
violetandgandal said:
And what is George doing these days? I was just listening to one of his earliest recordings this morning and wishing he and Carey and Francis had recorded more stuff. Did George carry on Crossroads by himself?
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Did you know Dr. Marcellino D’Ambrosio was his bass player?

Crossroads has long been disbanded, but George is still writing songs. He’s also a music leader at St. John’s parish in Westminster, MD. He lives not far from me.
 
This From the Article on MSNBC
msnbc.msn.com/id/18308301/
"Luis Lugo, director of the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, said, ‘“This is introducing a new way to worship, a new way of being the church,” Lugo said. “You could call it bringing the fiesta spirit into the Catholic church.”’
It goes on to say
“The embrace of charismatic Christianity has not turned Catholics into Pentecostal Protestants, however. The survey found charismatic Catholics are even more likely to pray the rosary, go to confession or serve in their parishes, suggesting a strengthening of Catholic identity.”
Ouote from a post concerning Hispanic influence on gringo churches:
“Maybe since I’ve never seen it I don’t know what I’m talking about. But I hope Churches don’t start becoming more “entertaining” to keep members.”

My question is: Why is Charismatic Worship entertainment and not worship?
 
It odesn’t have to be. Having been “filled with the Holy Spirit” myself only deepened my appreciation for the liturgical mass. As a charismatic Catholic, I strongly disagree with those who would whip up enthusiasm with repetitive P/W songs, or with those who want to “spice up” our already wonderful tapestry of worship. I think that charismatic worship definitely has a place but I think it is more appropriate at private prayer meetings and Bible studies…just my two cents…
 
I attend Mass and other prayer services at Catholic charismatic parishes and conferences from time to time, and the atmosphere is not at all about “entertainment” although it does foster full active participation of the congregation. source cited in OP must attend other services, or be judging by pentecostals. Where I have seen a “fiesta spirit” which is not necessarily a bad thing since the Mass is, among other things, a celebration, is at mariachi Masses, which are characterized by a particular music style, not by any charismatic manifestations.
 
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