Why such a bias against homosexuals?

[agangbern]

Yes, sin is always a sin even if we are all sinners. Holiness is always biased against unholiness.
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1Cor 6:9-10)

 

[rlg94086]

I don’t think it’s fair to say there is a bias against gays. It’s more accurate to say there is an imbalance in the attention given to various sins. For example, there are far more Catholics practicing ABC than homosexuality, yet there is a great difference degree of vocal opposition given to each.

Hi RowBoat,

I think your statement is accurate “out in the world,” but not necessarily at CAF. ABC is discussed plenty here. Welcome to CAF!

Pax,
Robert

 

[Bennie_P]

I don’t think it’s fair to say there is a bias against gays. It’s more accurate to say there is an imbalance in the attention given to various sins. For example, there are far more Catholics practicing ABC than homosexuality, yet there is a great difference degree of vocal opposition given to each.

ABC is a subject many Catholics want to shy away from and there may be some or many that use SSA discussions as a scape goat to look down on others as committing a “worse” sin then they. Those that do use others’ sins as a destraction from thier own are wrong. Yet funny you mention that because, that is one of the tatics that "gay’ activist use to justify homosexuality as normal is the failure of others. So one that is willing to make judgement, either way cannot do so inorder to justify thier own shortcomings. ABC, Abortion, Sexual Promiscuitiy, Adultery, Divorce, SSM, and Homosexuality are all part of the Culturre of Death. They all feed off each other in some manner.

 

[So_Catholic]

Forgive me for not understanding, but why does it seem that so many folks here seem to be very hostile (or at least very biased) against homosexuals who want to be Catholic?

Now I understand that practicing homosexuality is considered a sin, and I support that. I also understand that practicing heterosexuality outside of the marriage union is also a sin, and I support that. So my thinking is in line with the Church teachings.

But it seems that many here are very quick to condemn homosexuals who want to join our Church. As we are sinners, should we not also welcome others who are sinners, who admit their sin, and who are trying to be good Catholics despite the sin?

I’m NOT advocating that we tolerate the radical homosexual agenda, that the Church change its position on homosexuality, gay marriage, or anything like that. I’m wondering why some members here at CA seem to be so intolerant of accepting gays who are trying to be good Catholics.

Just curious.

My guess, mans fallen nature. We are called to imitate christ, we dont normally always do so.

 

[rlg94086]

There is a great CD by Fr. Larry Richards called Confession. In it he talks about a man who confesses having sex with a male prostitute. The man is in tears and very repentant. Fr. Larry admonishes the listener not to think this man’s sin is any worse than our own. All mortal sin has the same consequence - separating us from God.

This is why it is important to heed the words of our Lord:
Matthew 7:1-5:

1 1 2 "Stop judging, that you may not be judged. 2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. 3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, 3 remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.

Pax,
Robert

ABC is a subject many Catholics want to shy away from and there may be some or many that use SSA discussions as a scape goat to look down on others as committing a “worse” sin then they. Those that do use others’ sins as a destraction from thier own are wrong. Yet funny you mention that because, that is one of the tatics that "gay’ activist use to justify homosexuality as normal is the failure of others. So one that is willing to make judgement, either way cannot do so inorder to justify thier own shortcomings. ABC, Abortion, Sexual Promiscuitiy, Adultery, Divorce, SSM, and Homosexuality are all part of the Culturre of Death. They all feed off each other in some manner.

 

[defenderoftruth]

If anything homosexuals need to become Catholic. But, if you mean “tear to shreads” someones tough rebuke to a homosexual that wants to remain homosexual and in that lifestyle well that is something you’ll just have to get used to. They can’t be Catholic and a practicing homosexual. When one is truly set free they no longer are considered homosexual, believe it or not they can stop being attracted to the same sex 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Someone can stop being a murderer, a thief, a liar and a homosexual like it or not they are on the list of those that don’t inherit the kingdom of God but they can be changed IF they truly repent and seek God.

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[goofyjim]

If anything homosexuals need to become Catholic. But, if you mean “tear to shreads” someones tough rebuke to a homosexual that wants to remain homosexual and in that lifestyle well that is something you’ll just have to get used to. They can’t be Catholic and a practicing homosexual. When one is truly set free they no longer are considered homosexual, believe it or not they can stop being attracted to the same sex 1 Corinthians 6:9-11. Someone can stop being a murderer, a thief, a liar and a homosexual like it or not they are on the list of those that don’t inherit the kingdom of God but they can be changed IF they truly repent and seek God.

Please visit us at www.primitivecatholics.net

If all they have is the attraction and they are not acting on it they are not sinning and therefore have no need to repent of it. Therefore they can inherit the kingdom.

 

[catharina]

Forgive me for not understanding, but why does it seem that so many folks here seem to be very hostile (or at least very biased) against homosexuals who want to be Catholic?

Now I understand that practicing homosexuality is considered a sin, and I support that. I also understand that practicing heterosexuality outside of the marriage union is also a sin, and I support that. So my thinking is in line with the Church teachings.

But it seems that many here are very quick to condemn homosexuals who want to join our Church. As we are sinners, should we not also welcome others who are sinners, who admit their sin, and who are trying to be good Catholics despite the sin?

I’m NOT advocating that we tolerate the radical homosexual agenda, that the Church change its position on homosexuality, gay marriage, or anything like that. I’m wondering why some members here at CA seem to be so intolerant of accepting gays who are trying to be good Catholics.

Just curious.

I want to state clearly that I hvae noticed no particular rage directed against homosexuals on this site - but I’ve only been here a week. In more general terms, I think it’s likely that people might feel some antipathy toward active homosexuals because witnessing homosexuality calls forth a natural response of revulsion. The natural law has set things up in a certain way for the procreation of the species. Homosexual acts negate that.

???

 

[RowBoat]

I want to state clearly that I hvae noticed no particular rage directed against homosexuals on this site - but I’ve only been here a week. In more general terms, I think it’s likely that people might feel some antipathy toward active homosexuals because witnessing homosexuality calls forth a natural response of revulsion. The natural law has set things up in a certain way for the procreation of the species. Homosexual acts negate that.

???

So, who here has witnessed homosexuality? What did they witness that called forth a natural response of revulsion? If we haven’t felt revulsion, does that mean we lack the natural evulsion reflex, or just haven’t witnessed the right things?

 

[Delphinus85]

Yes, sin is always a sin even if we are all sinners. Holiness is always biased against unholiness.
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God” (1Cor 6:9-10)

The truly sad thing is, without the Mercy of Christ every person in the world fits in that list. Not saying we should downplay any ONE of those sins, but some are being put above others. That’s why we need to be as merciful to a homosexual as we are to the man who lusts after the little cutie 3 rows ahead of him in church.

 

[defenderoftruth]

If all they have is the attraction and they are not acting on it they are not sinning and therefore have no need to repent of it. Therefore they can inherit the kingdom

So if someone has a mental thought about killing they can go to heaven? I agree there is a difference in temptation and action. Temptations are sinful like a pediphile even though he might not molest again what about his attraction to children? Is not that still sinful?

Jesus came to set the captives free, temptation and attraction aren’t real freedom.

 

[Delphinus85]

So if someone has a mental thought about killing they can go to heaven? I agree there is a difference in temptation and action. Temptations are sinful like a pediphile even though he might not molest again what about his attraction to children? Is not that still sinful?

Jesus came to set the captives free, temptation and attraction aren’t real freedom.

Temptation is not sin. If a man is tempted to commit a homosexual act, but does not, then he is not sinning. Now, there is a difference between thought and temptation. If that pedophile goes home and dwells night and day about doing horrible things to children, he is sinning. If a homosexual dwells on doing homosexual acts, he is sinning. If a man or woman dwells on sex with anyone other than their spouse, they are sinning. A flash of a thought or a mental image or a temptation is not the same as dwelling on and DESIRING to sin.

 

[RowBoat]

The truly sad thing is, without the Mercy of Christ every person in the world fits in that list. Not saying we should downplay any ONE of those sins, but some are being put above others. That’s why we need to be as merciful to a homosexual as we are to the man who lusts after the little cutie 3 rows ahead of him in church.

People have a tendency to loudly condemn activties in which they are unlikely to be engaged. So, if 2% of the population is gay, that gives lots of people an occasion to condemn gay activity. But when 98% of the population has used ABC, it gets a bit more uncomfortable to grab the bullhorn about that. Way too close to home. Too many wives, children, parents, neighbors, et al are involved. Going after the gays is much more comfortable.

 

[melensdad]

we need to be as merciful to a homosexual as we are to the man who lusts after the little cutie 3 rows ahead of him in church

This is a great post and I appreciate it as there was a little cutie just one row in front of me today. But in another thread here on CAF there was a person who alleged that a female was a lesbian and wanted to prevent that person from taking communion. What I noticed in the thread was that homosexual relationships were somehow worse than unmarried heterosexual relationships where premarital sex is involved. I’ve seen similar bias in other threads. When I made my original post, I did not mean to imply that people here attack homosexuals who post in the threads, but it does seem to me that homosexuals are held to a higher standard of morality?

 

[Delphinus85]

People have a tendency to loudly condemn activties in which they are unlikely to be engaged. So, if 2% of the population is gay, that gives lots of people an occasion to condemn gay activity. But when 98% of the population has used ABC, it gets a bit more uncomfortable to grab the bullhorn about that. Way too close to home. Too many wives, children, parents, neighbors, et al are involved. Going after the gays is much more comfortable.

Exactly. It’s unbelievably sad and so wrong. I know a few gay men. They are in so very much pain and they don’t know why, but they REFUSE to have anything to do with christians because they know that will only make things worse, and what’s even more sad than that…is that they may be right.

 

[Delphinus85]

This is a great post and I appreciate it as there was a little cutie just one row in front of me today. But in another thread here on CAF there was a person who alleged that a female was a lesbian and wanted to prevent that person from taking communion. What I noticed in the thread was that homosexual relationships were somehow worse than unmarried heterosexual relationships where premarital sex is involved. I’ve seen similar bias in other threads. When I made my original post, I did not mean to imply that people here attack homosexuals who post in the threads, but it does seem to me that homosexuals are held to a higher standard of morality?

It does seem that way. It’s quite sad.

 

[catharina]

So, who here has witnessed homosexuality? What did they witness that called forth a natural response of revulsion? If we haven’t felt revulsion, does that mean we lack the natural evulsion reflex, or just haven’t witnessed the right things?

You might be joking; that is, I wondered if my wording would bring forth your question. I spend a lot of time in the San Francisco - Bay Area. Daily living and the daily news publications support the extreme in living a very Out-there lifestyle along with “gay marriage” and cross dressing. Also, I was generalizing and the reaction of many to the public view would not be the reaction of all.

 

[RowBoat]

You might be joking; that is, I wondered if my wording would bring forth your question. I spend a lot of time in the San Francisco - Bay Area. Daily living and the daily news publications support the extreme in living a very Out-there lifestyle along with “gay marriage” and cross dressing. Also, I was generalizing and the reaction of many to the public view would not be the reaction of all.

That’s a relief. Here I was afraid public beastiality had run rapant. I agree many support the lifestyle, but I’m glad neither gays nor straights have joined in carnal union at Pier 39.

 

[catharina]

That’s a relief. Here I was afraid public beastiality had run rapant. I agree many support the lifestyle, but I’m glad neither gays nor straights have joined in carnal union at Pier 39.

Hate to pursue this, but I’m almost sure that homosexual practice and beastiality are different sins against purity.

Enough said?

 

[RowBoat]

Hate to pursue this, but I’m almost sure that homosexual practice and beastiality are different sins against purity.

Enough said?

I’ll trust you with the details.