Why the bible is most assuredly not a Catholic book,

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Everyone of its books (with the possible exception of one) was written by a Jew.
I have been Catholic since birth, all 70 years and I have never heard both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible called a Catholic book. The Old Testament of the Bible was not written by Catholics, but Jews. The Bible as a completge book was compiled by the Catholic Church. The New Testament was written by the religious ancestors, (you know Mark, Matthew, Luke, John, Paul, Peter etc.) of those who are Catholic today.😉 Luke was Greek, I believe.
 
How do we Catholics see funerals? Most of the ones I have attended have not been happy times???
IT is an emotionally sad time but it should be a spiritually uplifiting one. The color, barring martyrdom, is white, as it is for Easter and Christmas. We are to see that though they are dead to the earth, they are alive in Christ! It is one of the reasons that we are not to have eulogies. A funeral mass is meant to be a time that we remember the promise of the resurrection and celebrate the new member of the communion of saints.

Yes, I have to remind myself of that when I am there, too.
 
How do we Catholics see funerals? Most of the ones I have attended have not been happy times???
i have no idea, really, why this is the case but i always feel there is something “extra” special, spiritually, about a funeral Mass… At all Masses, the hosts of Heaven participate… angels & saints… but i have had particularly… interesting experiences (spiritual) at funeral Masses… (words are failing me…)…

Personally, i think it is because (as some saint said) the soul that has died sees (actually attends) his own funeral…

I totaly believe this through exprerience as well because once when someone i was fairly close to died, i could feel that person’s presence beside me at Mass… It was NOT all in my mind either… though i know i can’t convicne anyone that it wasn’t…i felt she was sitting right beside me… to the point i almost started talking out loud to her… (but people would have thoght that peculiar…)

Anyway…

What was the question??? 😃
 
The bible is Gods book to mankind entrusted to the Jews and followed by men of good will worldwide despite their religious affiliation.
Catholics have tried to replace Jews as Gods chosen people—heresy.
Now they want to claim the Jewish book as their own. Pretty petty behavious in my opinion.
Well if you know any thing about Christian you will know by the time the bible was written all the apostle where CATHLOIC, they become Cathloic in 33ad.
Didn’t Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct His disciples to “write down” His teachings? No. With the possible exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles. In fact, only the Apostles Sts. Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to “write” if the “written” Word of God is the ONLY authority to be followed in the Christian religion?
Most of the Apostle are Jewish as was Our Lord,after the death of Our Lord they are Christians. YOU CAN FIND THE DATES of the Bible on line.
 
Be careful my friend, this sounds like replacement theology. God’s covenant with Abraham was unconditional. There is indeed a special role for Israel in God’s salvation plan. The Jews were and are God’s chosen people - he chose (not by merit, by grace) to use them to teach the world about Him and the difference between holy and unholy and about the coming of the Messiah. While are you correct that God extended his grace to all (jew and gentile) who come to believe in Him through Christ, He did not abandon his covenant with Israel. This is what Romans 11 is telling us - after the full alotment of Gentile come in “all Israel will be saved” (not all Jews of all time, as some believe, but I believe he will cause that remnant to “see” and come to faith, which is consistent with zechariah when it says in the end times they will mourn for the one whom they have pierced and call on the name of the law).

Blessings,

Brian
True, but replacement theology is a bunch of crappola sold by haters and baiters who cling to this idea of Paul “inventing” Christianity. There are more than a few of these haters on the boards here who ignore Ephesians 2 11-18.

By the way, nice name. Sorry your parents couldn’t spell :eek:😃

BrYan
 
I have been Catholic since birth, all 70 years and I have never heard both the Old and New Testaments of the Bible called a Catholic book. The Old Testament of the Bible was not written by Catholics, but Jews. The Bible as a completge book was compiled by the Catholic Church. The New Testament was written by the religious ancestors, (you know Mark, Matthew, Luke, John, Paul, Peter etc.) of those who are Catholic today.😉 Luke was Greek, I believe.
Exactly this is a new polemic which Catholics are jumping on to try to discredit NonCatholics from using the bible in their defense.
 
Well if you know any thing about Christian you will know by the time the bible was written all the apostle where CATHLOIC, they become Cathloic in 33ad.
Didn’t Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct His disciples to “write down” His teachings? No. With the possible exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles. In fact, only the Apostles Sts. Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to “write” if the “written” Word of God is the ONLY authority to be followed in the Christian religion?
Most of the Apostle are Jewish as was Our Lord,after the death of Our Lord they are Christians. YOU CAN FIND THE DATES of the Bible on line.
Bill you really had to go back to dig this one up.
The apostles were Jews sho believed Jesus was the Messiah. Today Jewish believers are called complete Jews.
God breathed the scriptures into existence.
 
Exactly this is a new polemic which Catholics are jumping on to try to discredit NonCatholics from using the bible in their defense.
What people are trying to get at is that, being that the Bible came from the same group of Bishops who also gave us the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, the doctrine of Transubstantiation, and a great many other Catholic distinctives, why do you pick the Bible out as being reliable, but nothing else?

It just seems so totally random to just pick the Bible and say, “Yes, I believe in this” while rejecting absolutely everything else that came from the exact same source and in the exact same way.

But people aren’t trying to get you to not trust the Bible - they are trying to get you to understand that where the Bible came from is the same place that every other Catholic belief came from - and if you believe in the Bible then you should also believe in everything else that came from those same men.
 
God breathed the scriptures into existence.
Not literally, no.

God’s actions in their lives inspired men to tell the stories of how God’s people lived out God’s covenant with them, which they then wrote down. In the late 300s AD, Pope Damasus saw the need to identify these writings and have them collected together into a single volume, and translated into a language that could be understood by the ordinary people. Three Councils were called - Rome, Carthage, and Hippo. These three Councils took about 12 years or so to identify the works that could reliably be considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

By the time those three Councils had finished their work, Pope Damasus had died, and had been replaced by Pope Innocent I. Pope Innocent I accepted the work of the three Councils, and proclaimed to the Church that we now have 73 Books of the Scriptures, to be compiled and translated into a Bible. The work of compiling and translating was organized by a Catholic priest named Jerome, who took himself (and his helpers) off to a solitary place in the wilderness to complete this work.

When Jerome was finished his work, he returned to Rome with the world’s first Christian Bible. 🙂

The Pope examined it, found it to be worthy of the Church, signed it with his approval, and ordered copies to be made. These copies were made by hand, by various orders of monks. Bibles were hand-copied for centuries, until the invention of the printing press by Gutenberg, in Germany.
 
Bill you really had to go back to dig this one up.
The apostles were Jews sho believed Jesus was the Messiah. Today Jewish believers are called complete Jews.
God breathed the scriptures into existence.
Did Jesus Christ write down any part of the New Testament with His own hand? No, He did not. If the Bible was to be the sole authority of the Church, shouldn’t the Founder have written down His Own teachings? Shouldn’t He have at least stated something similar to the following: “the written works of My disciples will be the authority upon which My Church is based?”
Didn’t Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct His disciples to “write down” His teachings? No. With the possible exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles. In fact, only the Apostles Sts. Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to “write” if the “written” Word of God is the ONLY authority to be followed in the Christian religion?

Hisalone, I see many of your post and NOT one has been right, when you get in a spot you run so will you please stop with you fales post
 
Did Jesus Christ write down any part of the New Testament with His own hand? No, He did not. If the Bible was to be the sole authority of the Church, shouldn’t the Founder have written down His Own teachings? Shouldn’t He have at least stated something similar to the following: “the written works of My disciples will be the authority upon which My Church is based?”
Didn’t Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct His disciples to “write down” His teachings? No. With the possible exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles. In fact, only the Apostles Sts. Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to “write” if the “written” Word of God is the ONLY authority to be followed in the Christian religion?

Hisalone, I see many of your post and NOT one has been right, when you get in a spot you run so will you please stop with you fales post
YES, You are right most of the Apostles are Jew and OuR LORD Jesus is a JEW so your point is WHAT
 
Bill you really had to go back to dig this one up.
The apostles were Jews sho believed Jesus was the Messiah. Today Jewish believers are called complete Jews.
God breathed the scriptures into existence.
Let me write this so you will understand,Most of the Apostle are Jewish and Our Lord is a Jew, the OT was not written by Cathloic it was written by Jewish people,the NT was written by Cathloic and the Bible was put together By the apostle Bishops Cathloic in about 300 or 400 ad and they are all cathloic.,a lot of book did not make it in to the Bible The gospel of Peter,the gospel of Mary and many more that I cant thing of at this time,and SS was not taugh untill the reforums, In fact we did not have a protestants on this earth untell the reforums. Hope this will help you,
 
Let me write this so you will understand,Most of the Apostle are Jewish and Our Lord is a Jew, the OT was not written by Cathloic it was written by Jewish people,the NT was written by Cathloic and the Bible was put together By the apostle Bishops Cathloic in about 300 or 400 ad and they are all cathloic.,a lot of book did not make it in to the Bible The gospel of Peter,the gospel of Mary and many more that I cant thing of at this time,and SS was not taugh untill the reforums, In fact we did not have a protestants on this earth untell the reforums. Hope this will help you,
Actually, Hisalone is correct, but perhaps you are both just talking past each other.

All of the books of the bible (Old and New Testament) were written by Jews (guided by the Holy Spirit (with the possible exceptions of Luke and Acts - as Luke is believed by some to have been a Gentile).

However, Bill is correct that while the OT “cannon” scriptures compiled by Jews (although Bill - on that point, the deutercannonical books were omitted from the Jewish cannon when the cannon was established by the Jews in the early 2nd century), the NT cannon was established (e.g., books identified as scripture) by “Catholics” (by Christians and officially declared at the counsel of Nicea). At that time, the “Church” was the Catholic Church (east and west).

Hopefully that is just a clarification both all as I think you guys were trying to say the same thing.

Blessings,

Brian
 
Well if you know any thing about Christian you will know by the time the bible was written all the apostle where CATHLOIC, they become Cathloic in 33ad.
Didn’t Jesus Christ with His own mouth instruct His disciples to “write down” His teachings? No. With the possible exception of the Book of Revelation (Apocalypse) by St. John the Apostle, Jesus Christ gives no such instructions to any of His disciples or Apostles. In fact, only the Apostles Sts. Peter, John, James, Jude and Matthew were inspired by the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. Why were the other seven not inspired of the Holy Spirit to “write” if the “written” Word of God is the ONLY authority to be followed in the Christian religion?
Most of the Apostle are Jewish as was Our Lord,after the death of Our Lord they are Christians. YOU CAN FIND THE DATES of the Bible on line.
Bill is it Gods will that the bible was written?
 
Everyone of its books (with the possible exception of one) was written by a Jew.
Hisalone,

Enough! Quit your Jealousy/hatred toward the Catholic Church, doing so you are not any where near being Hisalone. Oh please go and read the Catholic Church’s history please.

Ufam Tobie
 
What people are trying to get at is that, being that the Bible came from the same group of Bishops who also gave us the Perpetual Virginity of Mary, the doctrine of Transubstantiation, and a great many other Catholic distinctives, why do you pick the Bible out as being reliable, but nothing else?

It just seems so totally random to just pick the Bible and say, “Yes, I believe in this” while rejecting absolutely everything else that came from the exact same source and in the exact same way.

But people aren’t trying to get you to not trust the Bible - they are trying to get you to understand that where the Bible came from is the same place that every other Catholic belief came from - and if you believe in the Bible then you should also believe in everything else that came from those same men.
Thank you for trying to be reasonable.
jmcrae I know the bible to be true. How do I know? It came at an moment in time when I was at a crossroads do I accept God and the bible and specifically the God of the bible or do I search for answers somewhere else. At that moment in time God opened up one of the scripture stories to me and the answer to my question became clear as they never had been. Since then God has used scripture to lead and guide me.
I dont see Marion doctrines in scripture, yes I have read all those Catholics claim. For me it doesnt matter whether Mary was a perpetual virgin. For many Catholics (some of my relatives)their faith would be destroyed if it was to be proven she was not. As for scripture there is certainly more evidence that she did not remain a virgin than that she did.
The doctrine of Transubstantiation is hokus pokus to me. BTW hokus pokus is derived from the latin at the time the priest concencrates the host. As for scripture I beleive we do not eat the literal body nor drink the literal blood.
You look at the Catholic Church and see a continum from 33CE to the present. I look at the Catholic Church and I see an evolution from 33 CE to the present day so that the 33CE Church is unreconizable.
 
Not literally, no.

God’s actions in their lives inspired men to tell the stories of how God’s people lived out God’s covenant with them, which they then wrote down. In the late 300s AD, Pope Damasus saw the need to identify these writings and have them collected together into a single volume, and translated into a language that could be understood by the ordinary people. Three Councils were called - Rome, Carthage, and Hippo. These three Councils took about 12 years or so to identify the works that could reliably be considered to be inspired by the Holy Spirit.

By the time those three Councils had finished their work, Pope Damasus had died, and had been replaced by Pope Innocent I. Pope Innocent I accepted the work of the three Councils, and proclaimed to the Church that we now have 73 Books of the Scriptures, to be compiled and translated into a Bible. The work of compiling and translating was organized by a Catholic priest named Jerome, who took himself (and his helpers) off to a solitary place in the wilderness to complete this work.

When Jerome was finished his work, he returned to Rome with the world’s first Christian Bible. 🙂

The Pope examined it, found it to be worthy of the Church, signed it with his approval, and ordered copies to be made. These copies were made by hand, by various orders of monks. Bibles were hand-copied for centuries, until the invention of the printing press by Gutenberg, in Germany.
If you read the OT prophets many will say that Gods word or the word of the Lord which came to me was a burden. Gods word becomes a burden a heavy weight that will not leave the man of God in peace until the burden is released by speaking it or by writting it down.
God placed the burden on the NT writters to write the gospels to write the epistles until the books were written.He then used His people to compile these books into one volume. You claim that those that wrote these books and those that compiled these books were Catholic therefore they are Catholic books therefore they mean what Catholics say they mean.
I cant agree with any of that.
 
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