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Lampo
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Care to say some by name?
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Lampo
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This one can!
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Hisalone
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A whole course on covenant and still he does not tell you what the New Covenant is. Amazing.
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Hisalone
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The Church at Corinth
The Church at Ethiopiia
The Church at Jerusaluem
The Church at Rome
The Curch at Ephesia
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Hisalone
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Actually, the Bible is most assuredly a Catholic book. If it is not, how do you explain the following passages from the Bible?
**The institution of the papacy
Christ Church was built on Christ The Son of the Living God. Peter was a leader of the apostles but at no time is the office of the pope in scripture, it is contrary to scripture. The pope has attempted in the past to lord over them as the gentiles do. This is unbiblical.**
(Matthew 16:18 RSV) And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the powers of death shall not prevail against it.
(Matthew 16:19 RSV) I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven."
The Church as the pillar and ground of truth
Im a member of Christs Church Im not Catholic.
(1 Timothy 3:15 RSV) if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth.
Sacred Tradition
(2 Thessalonians 2:15 RSV) So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
Which letter was Paul talking of? It is the letters which became scripture
The salvific nature of baptism
(1 Peter 3:21 RSV) Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
God Bless,
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Hisalone
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God entrusted His oracles to the Jews and then after them His people who were Christian.
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CWBetts
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Hisalone,
I have 2 issues. First, why do you refuse to tell us what you think the New COvenant is, so that we can explain to you the correct understanding of it, and in the previous post you have not answered the points raised. You gave more rhetoric, but offered no substantive defense for your position.
I have 2 issues. First, why do you refuse to tell us what you think the New COvenant is, so that we can explain to you the correct understanding of it, and in the previous post you have not answered the points raised. You gave more rhetoric, but offered no substantive defense for your position.
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Lampo
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Did they all have different and competing doctrines? Were the bishops of these churches unified? What you’ve named here are the first diocese of the Catholic Church. Very well done.
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Lampo
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You took this course? If you did and still have questions, why don’t you email Dr. Hahn, I’m sure he’d respond and help clarify it for you. Have you ever considered that maybe it’s not the course and that it’s you who does (or is it do?) not grasp it?
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jmcrae
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Those were all Catholic Churches, under the authority of the Apostles (as witnessed by the fact that St. Paul, an Apostle, was sending them letters of instruction).
Try again.
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Hisalone If you think CW is wrong why dont you look it up.
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jake23
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We should all step back and aknowledge that hisalone follows himself alone and not Christ. We are talking about an uneducated person (obviousely) with a skewed view of reality who is not here to learn, but to spoil this sight with ignorance, hate and lies! I am just being blunt not rude! Every Catholic here has done well to give correct and informative advise to him though it is clear that is not what he is here for! His hate is starting to taint others and it is in our best interest to disregard him. We know that we are right and we did a good job reaching out to his lost soul, however you cannot help those who do not wish to be helped! I prapose to disregard him and his un-christ like intentions!
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Hisalone Is not a bad guy he is just very cofused,I think he a pencyestal that left the Cathloic Church and now has a well lets say grip with the Chrush and well not agree with any tihng the Church teachingjust say a lot of prays for him ,he does need help
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Pope is a made office…an office made by Jesus…He called 12 disciples. After Judas Iscariot died. Peter…the head of the Apostles at the time…said “let another take his office”(Acts 1:20). Then they nominated two others, Barsabbas(Justis) , and Matthias. Then they drew lots, and the lot fell to Matthias.(Acts1:20-26). If there was not an “office” then why did they elect someone to replace Judas? That’s because there was an “office” that needed to be filled.
Do you really think that Jesus would leave his church without a leader? That would be asking for Chaos! Just like a CEO leaves a trusted person in charge of his organization when he leaves, Jesus left Peter in charge of the Church. He gave him the “keys to the kingdom”. Jesus did not do that for any other disciple. Getting the Keys to the kingdom references OT scripture that says that the Prime Minister would get the “Keys to the Kingdom”. Peter was the Prime Minister. He was the first among the Apostles. When he spoke, the others fell silent and agreed to what he said.
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I work for a person for 15 and we called him the CEO,and later he was called the pres. of the bank… so like Peter he did it all. Peter was never call a pope but he is doing what Our pope is doing now feeding he sheep,Now that may be hard for you to understand but most people that can think for them self will be able to understand take your time and try to learn a little,you are here to learn,Right
PS> Stop and think if Jesus had not given us a pope ,we will have 36,.,01 today and what we have now is to many
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Covenant: A sacred Agreement, a formal pledge based on Love that binds two parties together with obligations on both parties - it is relational - it has a ritual action.
God has made many covenants with his people…
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Noah - sign of covenant was the rainbow
Abraham - sign of covenant was circumcision
Moses - sign of the covenant was the 10 commandments
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Jesus is the the new Covenant- the sign of the NEW covenant is baptism by water and by spirit.
Go out to all the world and preach the Good News baptizing in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Baptism = salvation and Holy Spirit.
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The New covenant is clearly laid out in scripture:
Jerimiah 31:
31 “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, F23 says the Lord. 33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the Lord. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Hebrews 8:
8 Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah-- 9 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord. 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. **11 None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. **12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds F34 I will remember no more.” F35
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Hisalone
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I find it very telling that no one here could tell me wat the New Covenant is.
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Lampo
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"When supper was ended, he took the cup.
Again he gave you thanks and praise, gave the cup to his disciples, and said:
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"Take this, all of you, and drink from it:
This is the cup of my blood, the blood of the new and everlasting covenant.
It will be shed for you and for all, so that sins may be forgiven.
Do this in memory of me."'"“This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.” Luke 22:20
“Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.” Matt. 26:28
“This is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed 8 for many.” Mark 14:24
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What is very telling as that you have absolutely know knowledge on covenant theology. You have been told what it is, but you reject it because it does not match your bad theology. Whats more, you won’t tell us what you think it is. Possibly because you fear that we will be able to refute it.
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