Why the focus on abortion?

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This is what Wikipedia says about the plot:

In the near future, fertility rates collapse as a result of sexually transmitted diseases and environmental pollution.[8] With this chaos, the totalitarian, theonomic government of [Gilead] (Gilead - Wikipedia)establishes rule in the former United States in the aftermath of a civil war.[9][10][11] Society is organized by power-hungry leaders along with a new, militarized, hierarchical regime of fanaticism and newly-created social classes, in which women are brutally subjugated, and by law are allowed to work only in very limited roles - and disallowed to own property, handle money, or read.[11]

According to an extremist interpretation of the Biblical account of Bilhah, worldwide infertility has resulted in the conscription of the few remaining fertile women in Gilead called Handmaids.[11] They are assigned to the homes of the ruling elite, where they must submit to ritualized rape by their male masters in order to become pregnant and bear children for those men and their wives.

This is crazy–people are being manipulated into a delusional hysyeria.
 
There will always be people having sex irresponsibly, just as there are people who break a lot of other laws.

However, many people will decide the potential consequences are not worth the recreation and we will have a reduction in pregnancies.

And no one will die from lack of sex.

Right now, there are people dying because of sex…
 
Interestingly, Margaret Atwood said in an interview that every plot element she wrote had actually happened somewhere in the world at some point. Yes, humans are capable of this stuff. Whether or not it will happen in my lifetime–probably not. However, the scary thing is that there are people out there that would like to see that become a reality. Yes, I’ve actually read posts where (mostly conservative men) argue against women voting, against women working, and would see the Handmaid’s Tale as a dream.
 
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every plot element she wrote had actually happened somewhere in the world at some point
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Oh i guess I missed where an environmental event caused the wives of the men in power to become infertile, tho it is true that STDs can have that effect.

The fact that various bad things have happened at various times and places under completely different circumstances does not mean that all of them will happen here just because we return to a condition which existed for 100 years without all this happening.

It reminds me of the times when all the members of student liberal groups thought they were being wiretapped in the late 70s because some student leaders were wiretapped in the 60s.
 
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virgo said:
That’s not at all what happens in the Handmaid’s Tale. Have you seen the show?
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I read the book. Environmental radiation poisoning results in mass sterility. A Protestant sect takes over power and suppresses all other denominations, forcing them to comply with their particular ethos.

So yes, it IS what happens; that is the fictional world in which Handmaids is set.

Hence my question to the Economist on if he\she sees signs of mass sterilization on the horizon, or of the Catholic Church caving in to a Protestant sect on matters of Faith and Morals.
 
That is so true! And I definitely think there are conspiracies on both the right and the left political leanings. But I think what scares me has been the large amounts of conservative men on places like Twitter that are very vocal about wanting to reverse the law that permits women to vote, work, and go to college. I know they constitute a fringe group, but it still scares me. And shoot, nothing surprises me anymore. I never thought we would have an evangelical administration, but here we are.
 
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However, the truth of the matter is that we can’t realistically expect human beings to stop having irresponsible sex. It is what it is, and I don’t see that we can really convince people otherwise
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Suggest reading "Libido Dominadi" by E Michael Jones. Explains how sexual revolution was instituted after French Revolution as a means of controlling people. We all know our minds are dumbed down when our passions are raging. St Augustine knew that when he said “a man has as many masters as he has vices”. Post French Revolution, the oligarchs realized that the peasants were now free of Church and the Crown and that this liberated populace had to be controlled by some other means, but how?

What if they could control them under the guise of liberation? What if they could make them think they were liberated (via sexual liberation) but in actuality that was how they were controlled? Pretty genius. They read St Augustine quote above and flipped it around. “A man has as many masters as he has vices”. So this sexual liberation started 250 years ago and has been gaining steam ever since with abortion, contraception, gay marriage, pornograph and next (Sex robots) = all 5 have same thing in common = separate sex from procreation and to explode man’s passions so to make him easier to control. . Check out E Michael Jones book, its great
 
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I can’t agree that we have an evangelical administration… 🙀

Glad that you realize those men tweeting about women working, etc, are on the fringe 🙂

These are tough times, esp for those who grew up with the internet. There is so much info out there, and the craziest stuff gets the most coverage. The problem is that it is hard for the mind to distinguish the frequency when things are repackaged and sent out again

And it happens on both sides: I remember when some seriously thought Obama was a Manchurian candidate.
 
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There’s less chance that the Handmaid’s Tale will come true than that we will become like Venezuela if a Democrat is elected president.

I mean, seriously, if abortion is banned, just don’t have sex. Will it kill people not to have sex?
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Back in the country where I was born, there were many jokes dealing with the “hypothetical” radio station of “Örményország”. They were always in the form of: “A question is sent to the Örmény radio” and it was followed by a usually sarcastic answer.

Your question reminds me of this one:

A question is sent to the Örmény radio: “Is it possible to change Switzerland into a communist country?”
And the answer was: “Yes, but what would be the point?”

Do you see the irony of this scenario?
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Hence my question to the Economist on if he\she sees signs of mass sterilization on the horizon, or of the Catholic Church caving in to a Protestant sect on matters of Faith and Morals.
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There are many possible ways how that society might come into existence. One of them would be forcing every woman to carry out a pregnancy to term. Even if it is just an unwanted and unlucky error.
 
Annie said:
There’s less chance that the Handmaid’s Tale will come true
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1984 is more likely. That novel is much more realistic than the overrated Handmaid’s Tale.
Annie said:
I mean, seriously, if abortion is banned, just don’t have sex. Will it kill people not to have sex?
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According to the Left, yes. Half of all deaths are due to a lack of sex.
 
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Or to put it in other words:
One who lives in absolute license is a slave.
This is the stupidity of the sexual license revolution. And also the portion of the women’s movement that latched on to sexual license as a key component.

More women are enslaved now than every before. To poverty, trafficking, domestic abuse, the loss of their children, alienation from men. Etc,.,.,
And it unfortunately works that way for men just as badly.
 
As a ‘fanatic’, I have to ask myself which of the very real moral evils in this world would I drop everything and rush to try and prevent FIRST

I’m walking down the road, and on the other side of the street I see…what?

Adultery?
Divorce?
Theft?
Fornication?
Taking the Lords Name in vain?
The love of money?
Bearing false witness?
The infanticide destruction of living unborn human beings.

Hmmmm. Tough choice.
If I really can’t resist minding my own business, (like they always tell me to,) then which one of the above issues ought I care enough about to say something? Do something?
 
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I see a different set of problems.
  1. Intolerance - which leads to
  2. Hatred - which leads to violence
  3. Violence - which leads to war
  4. War…
If only people would tolerate others, even if they disagree with them, the world would be a much better place.
 
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Economist said:
forcing every woman to carry out a pregnancy to term.
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There is an easy way not to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, or rather, being forbidden to kill one’s unborn baby, which is to avoid having sex when you don’t want a baby.
 
Annie said:
There is an easy way not to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term, or rather, being forbidden to kill one’s unborn baby, which is to avoid having sex when you don’t want a baby.
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No one will try to force you to have sex in that case (hopefully! Rape is a horrible act). Maybe you should also refrain from forcing your view onto others. Of course you might learn that there are many, 100% fail-safe methods to avoid pregnancy and still having wonderful sex. If that is not your cup of tea, just don’t do it. But again, it is not your prerogative to force others to conform to your concept of “morality”.

In my previous post I expressed my opinion: “learn to be tolerant of other people’s life”. If you do, then you can expect them to be tolerant of yours. If you are intolerant, you can expect the same. (What goes around, comes around.) Let me tell you the principle in one simple sentence: “The right of your fist ends where my nose begins.” (And vice versa, of course).

By the way, only a small percentage of the zygotes gets implanted into the uterus, the rest simply get flushed out from the woman’s body. Somehow no one sheds a tear for those “babies”.
 
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