Why the Greens Hate Nuclear Power

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Theo520 said:
lol, and I’m totally for nuclear power because I understand alternative energy.

Your video was quite entertaining.
FYI, in the future we will determine a method to tax alternative energy.
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We don’t need nuclear power at all, as has been proven in a court of law by Dennis Lee. Our world will be a much better place without nuclear power.
 
Some places already tax alternative energy to the rate of 800%.
Theo520 said:
lol, and I’m totally for nuclear power because I understand alternative energy.

Your video was quite entertaining.
FYI, in the future we will determine a method to tax alternative energy.
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WarrenS said:
Here is an old video which shows you the specifics of why nuclear power is outdated and not needed at all. youtube.com/watch?v=MF8lq-cAVlE This technology is environmentally friendly and safe; nuclear power is not safe nor environmentally friendly.
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Watching the cleanup at San Onofre after they’ve shut that plant down I’m inclined to agree.
 
WarrenS said:
We don’t need nuclear power at all, as has been proven in a court of law by Dennis Lee. Our world will be a much better place without nuclear power.
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Did he get off on the fraud charges against him? I suggest you study that court case a bit closer. It doesn’t prove what you think it does.
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Love the idea of a tax on “alternative” energy, especially wind power.

Here are some reasons I am against it:
  • There is a mismatch of supply and demand. During periods of high pressure weather systems that bring cold winters and hot summers, wind speeds are at low levels but demand is at its highest. In other words, when demand is highest, wind power makes its minimum contribution. Example: In Denmark, during 2004, wind accounted for 20% of total electricity production but supplied only 6% of consumption. This happened because wind farms produced a surplus at periods of lowest demand (source: The Wind Power Report ED 3 2006 published by ABS Energy Research, an independent energy market research company, which looked at the use of wind energy in various different countries.)
  • Aside from being unreliable and unpredictable due to weather dependency, the output from wind power generation is very low.
  • As the wind can not be relied on to blow at any given time, wind power generation needs to be backed up by conventional power generation, meaning it will not result in the closure of any coal or oil powered facilities.
  • During its lifetime, one 3 megawatt wind turbine will “save” 6,356 tonnes of carbon emissions but “cost” in the range of 27,213 and 40,773 tonnes. (Dr. Sarah Myhill, “The Carbon Equation for Individual Wind Farms”. January 2009)
  • Wind turbines are an average of 400 feet tall and have a highly negative effect on the physical environment, resulting in visual pollution in rural areas and the diminished of the value of homes of people living nearby. Example: In July 2005, a study was made of a sample of 8 properties near a proposed wind farm near Ceredigion, Wales. Estimates were made of the loss due to nearby wind turbines. The total loss for the eight properties was in excess of £1.5 million, or typically 20 – 25% on each property.
  • The low frequency sound of a wind turbine’s rotating blades is unpleasant for those living nearby and has been known to cause health problems, including insomnia, headaches, dizziness, unsteadiness, nausea, exhaustion, anxiety, anger, irritability, depression, memory loss, eye problems, problems with concentration and learning, tinnitus. Light pollution can also be problematic for some people. (Source: Dr Nina Pierpont, “Wind Turbine Syndrome”).
  • Significant amounts of wildlife are killed by flying into wind turbines, especially during storms and times of low visibility. The largest wind turbine development in the world, at Altamount Pass, California, kills as estimated 5,000 birds a year. In the US, 2,500 bats a year are also killed (US National Research Council May 3 2007).
  • Wind turbines can also have an adverse affect on local tourism. A drop of as much of 40% has been reported in some parts of Europe. This is particularly a problem in rural areas, where people go on holiday to obtain peace and tranquillity.
 
peter26 said:
Love the idea of a tax on “alternative” energy, especially wind power.

Here are some reasons I am against it:
  • There is a mismatch of supply and demand. During periods of high pressure weather systems that bring cold winters and hot summers, wind speeds are at low levels but demand is at its highest. In other words, when demand is highest, wind power makes its minimum contribution. Example: In Denmark, during 2004, wind accounted for 20% of total electricity production but supplied only 6% of consumption. This happened because wind farms produced a surplus at periods of lowest demand (source: The Wind Power Report ED 3 2006 published by ABS Energy Research, an independent energy market research company, which looked at the use of wind energy in various different countries.)
  • Aside from being unreliable and unpredictable due to weather dependency, the output from wind power generation is very low.
  • As the wind can not be relied on to blow at any given time, wind power generation needs to be backed up by conventional power generation, meaning it will not result in the closure of any coal or oil powered facilities.
  • During its lifetime, one 3 megawatt wind turbine will “save” 6,356 tonnes of carbon emissions but “cost” in the range of 27,213 and 40,773 tonnes. (Dr. Sarah Myhill, “The Carbon Equation for Individual Wind Farms”. January 2009)
  • Wind turbines are an average of 400 feet tall and have a highly negative effect on the physical environment, resulting in visual pollution in rural areas and the diminished of the value of homes of people living nearby. Example: In July 2005, a study was made of a sample of 8 properties near a proposed wind farm near Ceredigion, Wales. Estimates were made of the loss due to nearby wind turbines. The total loss for the eight properties was in excess of £1.5 million, or typically 20 – 25% on each property.
  • The low frequency sound of a wind turbine’s rotating blades is unpleasant for those living nearby and has been known to cause health problems, including insomnia, headaches, dizziness, unsteadiness, nausea, exhaustion, anxiety, anger, irritability, depression, memory loss, eye problems, problems with concentration and learning, tinnitus. Light pollution can also be problematic for some people. (Source: Dr Nina Pierpont, “Wind Turbine Syndrome”).
  • Significant amounts of wildlife are killed by flying into wind turbines, especially during storms and times of low visibility. The largest wind turbine development in the world, at Altamount Pass, California, kills as estimated 5,000 birds a year. In the US, 2,500 bats a year are also killed (US National Research Council May 3 2007).
  • Wind turbines can also have an adverse affect on local tourism. A drop of as much of 40% has been reported in some parts of Europe. This is particularly a problem in rural areas, where people go on holiday to obtain peace and tranquillity.
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Thanks for all that information, very informative. 🙂
 
peter26 said:
Love the idea of a tax on “alternative” energy, especially wind power.

Here are some reasons I am against it:
  • There is a mismatch of supply and demand. During periods of high pressure weather systems that bring cold winters and hot summers, wind speeds are at low levels but demand is at its highest. In other words, when demand is highest, wind power makes its minimum contribution. Example: In Denmark, during 2004, wind accounted for 20% of total electricity production but supplied only 6% of consumption. This happened because wind farms produced a surplus at periods of lowest demand (source: The Wind Power Report ED 3 2006 published by ABS Energy Research, an independent energy market research company, which looked at the use of wind energy in various different countries.)
  • Aside from being unreliable and unpredictable due to weather dependency, the output from wind power generation is very low.
  • As the wind can not be relied on to blow at any given time, wind power generation needs to be backed up by conventional power generation, meaning it will not result in the closure of any coal or oil powered facilities.
  • During its lifetime, one 3 megawatt wind turbine will “save” 6,356 tonnes of carbon emissions but “cost” in the range of 27,213 and 40,773 tonnes. (Dr. Sarah Myhill, “The Carbon Equation for Individual Wind Farms”. January 2009)
  • Wind turbines are an average of 400 feet tall and have a highly negative effect on the physical environment, resulting in visual pollution in rural areas and the diminished of the value of homes of people living nearby. Example: In July 2005, a study was made of a sample of 8 properties near a proposed wind farm near Ceredigion, Wales. Estimates were made of the loss due to nearby wind turbines. The total loss for the eight properties was in excess of £1.5 million, or typically 20 – 25% on each property.
  • The low frequency sound of a wind turbine’s rotating blades is unpleasant for those living nearby and has been known to cause health problems, including insomnia, headaches, dizziness, unsteadiness, nausea, exhaustion, anxiety, anger, irritability, depression, memory loss, eye problems, problems with concentration and learning, tinnitus. Light pollution can also be problematic for some people. (Source: Dr Nina Pierpont, “Wind Turbine Syndrome”).
  • Significant amounts of wildlife are killed by flying into wind turbines, especially during storms and times of low visibility. The largest wind turbine development in the world, at Altamount Pass, California, kills as estimated 5,000 birds a year. In the US, 2,500 bats a year are also killed (US National Research Council May 3 2007).
  • Wind turbines can also have an adverse affect on local tourism. A drop of as much of 40% has been reported in some parts of Europe. This is particularly a problem in rural areas, where people go on holiday to obtain peace and tranquillity.
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👍

While the larger wind turbines are… pretty terrible… I think that the smaller personal turbines intended to power individual homes are actually reaching a pretty viable point. They’ll never b the sole source of power for a home, but as a supplemental option to save money they look pretty promising.
 
peter26 said:
  • There is a mismatch of supply and demand. During periods of high pressure weather systems that bring cold winters and hot summers, wind speeds are at low levels but demand is at its highest. In other words, when demand is highest, wind power makes its minimum contribution. … it will not result in the closure of any coal or oil powered facilities.
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Your first three are essentially the same. Yes matching supply with demand is an issue, it’s actually done all the time as various plants are brought on and off line to match demand changes over the day. The stuff that is always on is known as baseline generation, mainly these are coal plants, hydro-electric, and nuclear plants. In North American at least, most of these will be supplanted by natural gas in the shorter term. The potential solutions involve storing the energy I’ve seen a number attempts to evaluate various batteries and even use a large fly wheel to do so. Another thing to remember is that we live with a highly interconnected power grid, your house isn’t necessarily powered entirely by local plants. It is possible to shift power generation to suit demands east and west.

If you haven’t guessed yet I have an Electrical Engineering Degree. 😃
peter26 said:
  • During its lifetime, one 3 megawatt wind turbine will “save” 6,356 tonnes of carbon emissions but “cost” in the range of 27,213 and 40,773 tonnes. (Dr. Sarah Myhill, “The Carbon Equation for Individual Wind Farms”. January 2009)
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I could not find that publication online. I suspect CO2 benefits are sometimes overstated, but there’s a good chance her counter argument has some very friendly assumptions to her point. I’d be willing to bet that she didn’t figure in rebuilds or similar into her “life time” figures.
peter26 said:
Example: In July 2005, a study was made of a sample of 8 properties near a proposed wind farm near Ceredigion, Wales. Estimates were made of the loss due to nearby wind turbines. The total loss for the eight properties was in excess of £1.5 million, or typically 20 – 25% on each property.
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Was the rent received calculated in? Anyway, most of the installations I have seen are on farms. Aesthetics rarely matter there and they remove little of the farmable land. I’d bet the extra rent would make the property attractive to at least American farm land owners.
peter26 said:
  • The low frequency sound of a wind turbine’s rotating blades is unpleasant for those living nearby and has been known to cause health problems, including insomnia, headaches, dizziness, unsteadiness, nausea, exhaustion, anxiety, anger, irritability, depression, memory loss, eye problems, problems with concentration and learning, tinnitus. Light pollution can also be problematic for some people. (Source: Dr Nina Pierpont, “Wind Turbine Syndrome”).
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Not trying to totally dismiss this, but there are plenty of claims about many things in this vein and the list you stated reads like just about every warning on medication bottles.
peter26 said:
  • Significant amounts of wildlife are killed by flying into wind turbines, especially during storms and times of low visibility. The largest wind turbine development in the world, at Altamount Pass, California, kills as estimated 5,000 birds a year. In the US, 2,500 bats a year are also killed (US National Research Council May 3 2007).
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I found some relative good information from the Audubon Society, which is a major wildlife advocacy group, at least in North America.

audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

By their worst estimate each turbine kills about 7 birds per year. I’d be willing to bet that more birds are killed by vehicles and I’m sure pollution doesn’t help either.
peter26 said:
  • Wind turbines can also have an adverse affect on local tourism. A drop of as much of 40% has been reported in some parts of Europe. This is particularly a problem in rural areas, where people go on holiday to obtain peace and tranquillity.
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This really depends on the country and location. In the US and Canada there are huge tracts of farmland that no one ever goes to on holiday.
 
Theo520 said:
lol, and I’m totally for nuclear power because I understand alternative energy.

Your video was quite entertaining.
FYI, in the future we will determine a method to tax alternative energy.
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Agree. Just don’t build them on fault lines (anymore…)
 
Theo520 said:
Did he get off on the fraud charges against him? I suggest you study that court case a bit closer. It doesn’t prove what you think it does.
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Dennis Lee proved in court that free energy is real.
 
WarrenS said:
We don’t need nuclear power at all, as has been proven in a court of law by Dennis Lee. Our world will be a much better place without nuclear power.
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France gets 80% of its electricity from fossil free nuclear power.

NO Carbon Dioxide … at all … none.

No green house gases.

No spinning bird killing wind mills.

NO rare earth solar cells.

If you care to read more, go here:

sepp.org/twtwfiles/2017/TWTW7-8-17.pdf
 
PJH_74 said:
Your first three are essentially the same. Yes matching supply with demand is an issue, it’s actually done all the time as various plants are brought on and off line to match demand changes over the day. The stuff that is always on is known as baseline generation, mainly these are coal plants, hydro-electric, and nuclear plants. In North American at least, most of these will be supplanted by natural gas in the shorter term. The potential solutions involve storing the energy I’ve seen a number attempts to evaluate various batteries and even use a large fly wheel to do so. Another thing to remember is that we live with a highly interconnected power grid, your house isn’t necessarily powered entirely by local plants. It is possible to shift power generation to suit demands east and west.

If you haven’t guessed yet I have an Electrical Engineering Degree. 😃

I could not find that publication online. I suspect CO2 benefits are sometimes overstated, but there’s a good chance her counter argument has some very friendly assumptions to her point. I’d be willing to bet that she didn’t figure in rebuilds or similar into her “life time” figures.

Was the rent received calculated in? Anyway, most of the installations I have seen are on farms. Aesthetics rarely matter there and they remove little of the farmable land. I’d bet the extra rent would make the property attractive to at least American farm land owners.

Not trying to totally dismiss this, but there are plenty of claims about many things in this vein and the list you stated reads like just about every warning on medication bottles.

I found some relative good information from the Audubon Society, which is a major wildlife advocacy group, at least in North America.

audubon.org/news/will-wind-turbines-ever-be-safe-birds

By their worst estimate each turbine kills about 7 birds per year. I’d be willing to bet that more birds are killed by vehicles and I’m sure pollution doesn’t help either.

This really depends on the country and location. In the US and Canada there are huge tracts of farmland that no one ever goes to on holiday.
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We don’t want wind turbines when a whole house can be powered using off the grid free energy generators. There is nothing better than powering your whole house without having to be on the grid . I believe off the grid free energy generators are the most Catholic solution to powering your house.
 
WarrenS said:
We don’t want wind turbines when a whole house can be powered using off the grid free energy generators. There is nothing better than powering your whole house without having to be on the grid . I believe off the grid free energy generators are the most Catholic solution to powering your house.
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And the fuel comes from … where?

Use one of those new fangled batteries to keep the house running during [down time]?
 
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