With gay marriage and all the other radical changes to our social structure getting shoved down my throat" not imposing my morals on others becomes meaningless."
And this goes to the question of the Exodus.
What’s “being shoved down your throat” is the idea that not everyone shares the same values and/or beliefs.
If, by “relativism” you mean that moral values are not universal and absolute, then I agree with you. I believe in absolute truth that is universal.
No, but they are forcing you to bake cakes for those ‘marriages’.
That is not the case in the US. It was legalized by the Supreme Court. Any vote in the US to my knowledge affirmed man/woman marriage.
Values,and beliefs. Hmmm values and beliefs. Not everyone , so, you do realize that very thing is a bragging point for a culture at peace with it’self? A common set of value? What doe’s that mean precisely? What my neighbor thinks is right I do as well, What I think is wrong my neighbor thinks is wrong. Now…What never used to be thought of is wrong and right is what? oh morals…yeah so it’s ok start shoving this morality down throats but not this one? I call that discrimination. Or is there a perception of the “established” morality as the bully and the ‘infant’ morality the victim that opposes it?
it’s kinda funny how stupid you must think I am. Do you understand that these kinds of changes to foundational social units cause changes to society as a whole? Unforseen changes. You do understand that the Church you are a member of is opposed to those changes"?
Or because the “pro choice” candidate has policies that will in effect actually reduce the number of abortions, while the “pro life” candidate’s candidates may actually increase abortions, given that it is unlikely that Roe V Wade will be overturned, and things like economic policy, healthcare, etc can have huge effects on a woman’s decision to keep her baby.
Oh my! Where do you live that you were forced to get gay married??? I had no idea it was being forced upon people!
I’m sorry, but pork, alcohol and cars and/or their banning are not, in general, matters of intrinsic moral evil. The one exception being the requirement of wine for Eucharist.
Apart from Catholic religious orders, Evangelical business owners tend to be the ones most concerned with the government forcing them to abide by some policy that goes against their religious beliefs, which would include providing contraceptives as a benefit to their employees, making gay wedding cakes, etc. Evangelicals also tend to be the main group funding and pushing the “religious right” political agenda in USA. The evangelical founder of the Hobby Lobby store chain, billionaire David Green, has been responsible for funding and spearheading a lot of legal challenges in this area. Currently, Hobby Lobby is best known for the Burwell v. Hobby Lobby 2014 decision of the US Supreme Court where it successfully challenged part of the Affordable Care Act that would have required businesses to provide contraceptives to their employees, but there are a lot of past religious freedom cases in which Hobby Lobby has been involved, going back decades.
Your statement demonstrates a shallow understanding or sarcasm meant to belittle my argument.Oh my! Where do you live that you were forced to get gay married??? I had no idea it was being forced upon people!
Dorothy Day, who is on the path to sainthood, wrote in 1936:
http://www.catholicworker.org/dorothyday/articles/300.html
Yes, that’s your opinion. I agree with you. But that’s not a Muslim opinion, or probably a Mennonite opinion. You are making my point for me–YOUR definition of “intrinsic moral evil” is not necessarily the same as those who have other religions (or no religion). And that’s the point.
Again, absolutely right. There’s not (official) polygamy in Utah because the US forced the Mormons to disavow polygamy in 1890 before they could become a state. In other words, they forced their religious morality on the Mormons. Was that a good thing? It depends on your point of view. I would say no. And of course if you’ve ever watched “Sister Wives” (I admit I’ve watched several seasons…) or “Big Love” you know that the idea of polygamy is very much alive in popular culture. There seem to be around 40,000 people in polygamous relationships. And a recent survey showed that 16% of Americans approve of polygamous marriages. So are polygamous marriages next up to be legalized? Probably. And remember, it’s not just Mormons, it’s Muslims. And I’m sure a lot of atheists are all for it as well. But again, is it the job of the government to endorse morality preferred by certain groups over other groups? That’s a really slippery slope and, to mix metaphors, a two-edged sword.
Well, no. What I said was “Jesus himself had a host of sayings that would make Marx and Engels proud…” which is true. This is not to say that the teachings of Jesus, Marx, and Engels coincide in all details. But certainly they share similar viewpoints in some areas.
Not quite sure what you are talking about here. Obviously (!) society has to share some values to function. For example, human sacrifice is bad; murder is bad; robbery is bad; etc. And clearly some countries that are ethnically and culturally unified (Japan, China to some extent) have an easier time with this than countries like the US, Canada, and Australia, where there are substantial numbers of residents with completely different religions and cultures. I would take a Libertarian position and keep the government out of morality as much as possible.
Sure these changes (gay marriage, etc.) will cause changes to society, some unforeseen. And yes, of course the Catholic Church opposes a lot of these changes. So do I. Where we seem to differ is our willingness to impose our personal values and beliefs on others. (And yes, I shouldn’t have said the US “voted for gay marriage,” although if it’s approved by the Supreme Court that’s a moot point.) The last big difference we had in the US was a slight disagreement over the morality of slavery, which led to the Civil War. Maybe it will come to that again, who knows.