Why the surveillance memo matters

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Now, will you answer whether or not the FBI and the DOJ in which Rosenstein is a high ranking member who signed off of one of the FISA requests, knew the dossier was funded by Hillary and the DNC and that it was salacious and verified?
 
josie_L said:
Without the dossier and the corroborating article in the Yahoo news article, there would have been no warrant issued!
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You can’t possibly know that, because the FISA warrant was never made available even to most of the committee members. Nunes admits he never read it.
 
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For those bound and determined to destroy Trump, it will be viewed as a flawed document . . .
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Ya mean there are those that are “bound and determined to destroy Trump”!!??

Who would have of guessed THAT?
 
josie_L said:
Without the dossier and the corroborating article in the Yahoo news article, there would have been no warrant issued!
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Speculative. Do you know the totality of evidence presented for the warrant?
 
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Luke6_37 said:
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josie_L:
Without the dossier and the corroborating article in the Yahoo news article, there would have been no warrant issued!
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You can’t possibly know that, because the FISA warrant was never made available even to most of the committee members. Nunes admits he never read it.
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But he derived information from interviews with members of the FBI, i.e., McCabe, Comey . . .
 
Nunes knows more than you and I, so who’s speculating when he wrote as much in the memo?
 
Talk about people who should NOT come near a campaign… D Brazille who gives questions to one candidate in a national debate. D W Shultz who cheated for HRC against B Sanders. DW Shultz who paid IT people millions? and gave them access to computers? What happened to that story? Dems lost, so sweep it under the rug???
The head guy of HRC campaign that said the Catholic Church has to change and become more progressive???
 
dvdjs said:
Speculative. Do you know the totality of evidence presented for the warrant?
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But we do know the Judge wasn’t informed a key part of the evidence was funded by the DNC, and wasn’t fully vetted.
 
Here are 16 things the media do not want you to know about the Nunes memo:
  1. The so-called Russian Dossier, the creation of Fusion GPS and former British spy Christopher Steele, is a political document — namely, opposition research, created for the Democrat National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign.
  2. Using what it knew was opposition research paid for by the Clinton campaign, in October of 2016, the FBI and DOJ obtained a FISA warrant from the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court to install a wiretap to spy on Hillary Clinton’s opponent — the Trump campaign, specifically Carter Page. This spying would last for a year.
  3. It should be noted that the FISA court was set up to stop foreign terrorists. The fact that the FBI and DOJ would use this court to not only wiretap an American but to wiretap a presidential campaign belies belief. Why Obama’s FBI and DOJ used this court as opposed to a normal court is obvious. As you will see below, a normal court probably would have denied the wiretap.
  4. Worse still, in the summer of 2016, Obama’s DOJ had already opened a counter-intelligence investigation into the Trump campaign. The fact that nothing from that months-old partisan investigation was used to obtain the Page wiretap is revealing.
  5. According to the Nunes memo, an “essential” part of the FISA wiretap application was the Steele dossier, which again is a partisan political document created for the Clinton campaign.
  6. So essential was this partisan dossier, Andrew McCabe, the disgraced former-Deputy Director of the FBI, admitted in December that “no surveillance warrant would have been sought” without the dossier.
  7. Not only did the FBI knowingly use a document from a partisan campaign to obtain a FISA warrant to spy on the competing campaign, the FBI knew the dossier was mostly “salacious and unverified.” We know this because disgraced former-FBI Director James Comey told us so in June of 2017.
  8. According to the Nunes memo, “Steele told [former FBI official Bruce] Ohr, he ‘was desperate that Donald Trump not get elected and was passionate about him not being president.’”
  9. Ohr, who was part of the FBI’s anti-Trump Russian investigation, was not only friendly with Steele, Ohr’s own wife worked with Steele at Fusion GPS doing opposition research (the dossier) against Trump for the Clinton campaign.
  10. Despite a) knowing the dossier was opposition research paid for by the Clinton campaign b) knowing the dossier was “salacious and unverified” c) knowing Steele was desperate to destroy Trump d) the breathtaking conflict of interest in having an investigator’s own wife working on the dossier, the FBI still went to the FISA court to obtain permission to spy on Hillary Clinton’s opponent.
 
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  1. In order to obtain a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign, all of the conflicts of interest above were withheld from the FISA court — an indefensible (and possibly illegal) lie of omission.
  2. Even worse, in order to legitimize a warrant request based on a piece of partisan opposition research they knew was “salacious and unverified,” the FBI and DOJ used a media report to bolster the findings in the phony dossier. The FBI and DOJ told the court that the media report was independent verification of the dossier. But this was not true, and, according to the Nunes memo, the FBI and DOJ knew this was not true. The truth is that the phony dossier was the source of this media report.
  3. Also hidden from the FISA court was the fact that the FBI obtained Steele as a source but had to fire him in October of 2016 when, in a bid to use his phony dossier to derail the Trump campaign, he leaked his information to the far-left Mother Jones.
  4. Although the FBI and DOJ were willing participants in pushing a “salacious and unverified” narrative against a presidential candidate (primarily through media leaks), this was all hidden from congressional investigators. To begin with, for months, while under oath, Comey said he did not know where the dossier came from — meaning from the Clinton campaign. The Wall Street Journal explains:
    We also know the FBI wasn’t straight with Congress, as it hid most of these facts from investigators in a briefing on the dossier in January 2017. The FBI did not tell Congress about Mr. Steele’s connection to the Clinton campaign, and the House had to issue subpoenas for Fusion bank records to discover the truth. Nor did the FBI tell investigators that it continued receiving information from Mr. Steele and Fusion even after it had terminated him. The memo says the bureau’s intermediary was Justice Department official Bruce Ohr, whose wife, incredibly, worked for Fusion.
  5. All of this dishonesty occurred under Comey, the man our media now hold up as a living saint, a man so desperate to destroy Trump, he not only oversaw those committing the above abuses, he leaked classified information to the news media in order to see a Special Prosecutor appointed against Trump, which his pal, Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein, immediately did.
And finally…
  1. Much of the “salacious and unverified” material in the dossier came from the Russians. In other words, those disgusting dossier lies about Trump’s personal behavior came from Russian operatives. So there is no question that it was the Clinton campaign, Democrats, Steele, the FBI, and DOJ who colluded with the Russians to rig a presidential election.
 
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MonteRCMS said:
Will the FISA judge go after the FBI agents who lied???
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I really wish we could hear from the FISA court.
Ultimately they are the body that was deceived, or not.
We need to hear if they felt they were misled.
 
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josie_L said:
Nunes knows more than you and I, so who’s speculating when he wrote as much in the memo?
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Actually he might not, having not read the intelligence.
This memorandum is supported only by the committee republications
There are members of the committee and of the FBI who have strongly denied the truthfulness of that conclusion. There are Republicans who have criticized the memo as well.

It is clear that the memo is contains only partial information selected to drive a partisan meme. It is a shameful abuse of oversight authority.
 
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josie_L:
In effect, you are saying he was his secretary, so what???
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Makes it all kind of like a game of telephone. Not very reliable.
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Really??? Dictating to one’s secretary is ureliable, using your bosses notes is unreliable? Does it look like Nune’s objects to what was written in the memo or is he standing by it?
 
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