Why the surveillance memo matters

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I think the most enlightening thing about the memo is it shows how Trump’s opponents are more than willing to bypass our democratic processes to stop a candidate they don’t like. Another post on the forums talks about the US becoming “flawed democracy”. If the US is becoming a “flawed democracy” it’s not the democratic and Constitutional election of Trump that is driving it, it’s Trump’s opponents who just can’t move on and will justify any actions, legal or not, to get rid of him.
 
Road-Worrier said:
The memo did show abuse of the FISA court system by FBI partisans to try to stop Trump’s elections
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Absurd. Utterly absurd. A warrant applied for in late October is not going to produce anything of value for any campaign. Moreover, the link to the campaign is tenuous; by the time of the warrant, Page had already been disowned by the Trump campaign. Finally the partisan memo may have tired to make a case of “abuse”. But that was an epic fail.

One last point: please note that those among the most responsible for the memo and most knowlegable about the intelligence diametrically disagree with you on the impcations about Mueller
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I guess you didn’t read the e-mails presented by Wikileaks… it was all over the news and caught the attentions of people esp. Catholics. John Podesta…

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Theo520 said:
I really wish we could hear from the FISA court.

Ultimately they are the body that was deceived, or not.

We need to hear if they felt they were misled.
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The FISA courts are jokes. They approve 99% of warrants sought. They are a rubber stamp. They don’t care about being misled. They don’t care about law and order anymore than most in government. FISA courts should be the scandal.
 
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angel12 said:
However, a typical FISA warrant application is 30 -100 pages.
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Are they really? If so that explains why they almost always get approved. FISA courts, like Pelosi and Democrats with Obamacare, have to approve the warrant to find out what is in the warrant. That or no one reads them or cares what is in them.
 
That cuts both ways. If the memo was no big deal then why did so many say it would damage national security? Why did Democrats oppose it?

In some ways it is no big deal. The government spies on everyone. The government gets unjustified warrants based on purchased testimony against lots of people. The Republicans in being partisan are revealing the secret government. But Snowden showed no one cares.
 
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josie_L:
How about …
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If you think you have a substantial case to make against any of the people you are writing about suggestively, make it. We will see how it stands up to scrutiny.
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I have the evidence that he was let go during what is an investigation by the Inspector general of the FBI, and the texts from Strzok and Page that indicate he was very anti-Trump and wasn’t bothered by the fact that talk of an “insurance policy”, if it should happen that Trump, won took place in his office within his hearing.

I think I have more than enough evidence to support my views, more so than you do.
 
josie_L said:
I think I have more than enough evidence to support my views, more so than you do.
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LOL. You have nothing. Do you do think that that is more than enough to support your views?

BTW, i am grateful for the insurance policy.

I am sure that if HRC was elected there would have been ongoing investigations of Russian influence on our election and probably of Russian agents in the Trump campaign. Those who thought HRC sure to win might have been happy to wait for that win. Better heads prevailed, so that there a trail of evidence against the risk of all of this being covered-up if Trump won. This is the stuff that patriots do.
 
dvdjs said:
One last point: please note that those among the most responsible for the memo and most knowlegable about the intelligence diametrically disagree with you on the impcations about Mueller
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What did I imply about Mueller? Where does anything Gowdy tweeted disagree with what I said?
 
exnihilo said:
Are they really? If so that explains why they almost always get approved. FISA courts, like Pelosi and Democrats with Obamacare, have to approve the warrant to find out what is in the warrant. That or no one reads them or cares what is in them.
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You’re accusing every FISA court judge of malfeasance. Any proof to back that up, or just having fun with detraction?
 
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Luke6_37:
Go Patriots!
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That, to me, it the most offensive misrepresentation of my words on this forum EVER.
How could you?
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I just raised $2K in 5 hrs for St. Vincent de Paul by reminding parishioners entering church that they could hardly cheer for the Patriots while there are hungry people in our town. Worked like a charm! I hope they are doing the same in PA.

Apologies to all for the digression.
 
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Luke6_37 said:
I just raised $2K in 5 hrs for St. Vincent de Paul by reminding parishioners entering church that they could hardly cheer for the Patriots while there are hungry people in our town
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Bravo. And thanks for the best post ever on this forum.
 
dvdjs said:
In discussing these events, you stated that Mueller’s investigation should be ended. Gowdy disagrees.
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Gowdy was silent about whether he thinks Mueller’s investigation should continue in the tweets you cited.
 
angel12 said:
You’re accusing every FISA court judge of malfeasance. Any proof to back that up, or just having fun with detraction?
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How could I have specific proof since it is a secret court? But the proof is every other secret court and their rubber stamping of warrants.
 
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