I’m a convert from Protestantism and it about broke my parent’s hearts - especially my dad. I can’t imagine what it must be like going from Jewish to Catholic. Were both parents Jewish and did they both actually use the term “shmad”? And was dad worse about it than mom? Mine sure was.
But isn’t the truth going to offend some, no matter how one frames it? See John 15:18-19.I have no idea where you go to chuch. But in our parish and other parishes where I have lived, there is no such a dumming down of truth. It is taught with charity and clarity and explained very well.
JR
I too like your frankness Hashem. It is refreshing.Just click on the second link in my sig line to get the full picture. Its all the same info I’d tell you, but with a lot less typing for me!
Yes, I saw the RC objections.
Would you like to discuss these - perhaps moved to a different thread?
I’m truly sorry for the loss of your mother.
That darned veil!
Nope, no “veil”…because many years ago, I dated a guy who told me he was Jewish (he was really a convert to Christianity from Judaism)…but eventually he sprang the reality of his belief system on me, and begged me to “pray and ask God if Jesus is the truth”.
Well, a veil still a veil my friend no matter what you want to call it. It will be removed one way or the other. In this world by responding to God’s grace, or in the world to come by God’s judgement. That’s a given no matter the choice you make. And there certainly is a choice to be made.
And you’re sure you don’t want to engage the topic - to look at the questions and Jewish objections your link raises? Sounds a little bit like you do to me.
Hmmmmm, you are doing counter-missionary work and ecumenical work. That is interesting. I’m cool with it. Again, I appreciate honesty here. How do you go about the two different efforts?
Well sure - in our journey thorugh this world, we all have to deal with difficulties and even doubts from time to time. 'Tis the battle we are in - it’s what we do with them and the choices we make in accord with or in rejection of God’s grace that makes all the difference in the word (in this world and the world to come). The choice we make here has eternal consequences don’t you agree?
Having not seen your theological debates or been a part of them, I’m afraid I can’t comment on them.
Okay. Very interesting - but I’m not so sure this verse actually separates sacrifice from “good deeds” or puts them in opposition or as two distinct methods for attoning for sin. Wouldn’t it be fair to say that “mercy and truth” are necessary dispositions of the heart for sacrifice to be effecacious? I’m thinking of Cain here who offered sacrifice with an impure heart and it was not accepted. Much of Proverbs describes the abomination of the wicked offering sacrifice - impure sacrifice - to no avail. It seems rather strange to take a few verses that speak to the necessity of the disposition of the heart and use them to downplay the role of sacrifice in the Jewish religion as if it was peripheral, an optional thing that isn’t really necessary and central to this faith and required by the revelation of God.
Well are you circumcised? Then you shed blood.The third Temple will be restored; this is central to traditional Jewish teaching. In fact, efforts are underway even as we speak.
Blood was never the SOLE method of atonement for sin in Judaism. Christians think it is because they need to believe that in order to buttress their belief that Jesus “'died for the world’s sins”. But we Jews have always known better.
Judaism does not circumcise females, just so you know.Well are you circumcised? Then you shed blood.
Oh I’m sorry I didn’t know you were female. I know some about Judaism, that is basically you don’t accept the new testament.Judaism does not circumcise females, just so you know.
That’s only one small part of our faith. The main part of our faith is that we believe in only One God, and that God is a Unity.
That is a plural Unity isn’t it?
No. God is a Unity, meaning He is one person. However, his MAJESTY is often described in Hebrew as being plural. Its a Kabbalistic concept that is often hard for many Jews (let alone nonJews) to understand.
Even the devil knows of the One God. If His Majesty were speaking and said we, He would be including His court and that doesn’t mean the angels as I don’t think God had to consult the angels, as they were imperfect, and man was not made in the image of angels. God is constant unity and absolute harmony, excuse my not capitalizing every word.