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Hi, portarica. I notice this is one of your first posts. Welcome aboard.
I assume you don’t really mean that prior to Vatican II the Catholic Church didn’t understand or appreciate the poor, right? To list just a few:Actually V2 opened the church to more people and led to a greater understanding of what Jesus actually taught ie, the His preference for the poor, the treatment of the least etc. etc.
*]St. Francis?
*]Thousands upon thousands of religious women staffing hospitals for the poor?
*]Dorothy Day?
Many people who worry about the way Vatican II is understood and implemented have no nostalgic illusions about the 20th century. In fact, some of us may even have thought about the history of the Church almost as much as people who disagree with us.While there is a nostalgic feeling for the “good old days”.
Much worse? That seems like the mistake of nostalgia in reverse. To list just a few post-Vatican II incidents:The world in general was a much worse place. The five decades prior to V2 were some of the most horrible times in all of mankind. There were the 2 world wars and a number of genocides.
*]How many prisoners suffered in Soviet Gulag or pyschiatric wards in the years after Vatican II?
*]Mao’s Cultural Revolution, the “great leap forward,” began about 10 years after Vatican II.
*]Ditto Khmer Rouge in Cambodia.
*]Genocide in Rwanda?
*]Etc, etc.
Ok. But, the hospitals in the city where I live were staffed by nuns for 3 generations before Vatican II. I would insist that those women knew quite a bit about Christian charity.The great good done by many of the Catholic charities in the last 5 decades was inspired in a great part by the spirit of V2.
Not sure what example you’re talking about. Please elaborate.The example of J23 was a watershed event for many Catholics and if you look closely at the completeness of V2 as opposed the watered down way it has been implemented you would see that tyhe tenants and the purpose of V2 was to bring the flock closer to Jesus by making not only the sheep, but the shepards act in a manner more consistent with the teachings of Christ.
In general, portarica, you seem to be expressing the attitude or view that is sometimes called “the hermeneutic of rupture,” a way of interpreting Vatican II, kinda like this:
*]There was a Bad Old Church from which we can’t distance ourselves enough, and from which there isn’t much for us to learn.
*]But now, thanks to us, we have a Good New Church.
Personally, I’m convinced that things aren’t that simple.
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