Why we’re forgetting the Holocaust

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If you’re a historian, seek to be a reputable one. Right now you can be lumped in with David Irving and the like. No bueno, friend.
 
Can you tell me if your teach about my ethnic ppl who were killed as part of my family? Im interested on what a Holocaust scholar has to say about it.

Bye bye logic? Really? Ok sista
 
Of course. The murders of Roma and Sinti victims are important. I don’t know any qualified scholars who would disagree.
 
Reputable? Great word. Majorities some times are wrong and im not going and you neither to have a technical debate here and less i would dare to do that in English.

And please allow ppl free speech im disagreeing on numbers.
 
No one is silencing you. You’re free to share false information if you choose to do so. You’re dismissing the historical record here.
 
Here in Spain a jewish scholar just called me liar and antisemitic for asking about the gypsies, she said i wanted to put away attention from the jews.

Here is just jew jew jew, no body else is a shame in my country how is explained.
 
RIP this thread. You could have gone on a lot longer without this, but were good until then.
 
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Why? You’re basically stating learning history is pointless. I don’t understand.
 
Per the news, it’s sad to know this.

That said, it’s not surprising, given the increasing anti Semitism in Europe for example. And yet, the leaders continue to kowtow to them. The ordinary people is some countries have been staging demonstrations, which is good. They have to continue pushing back. What’s bizarre is that there are people who should know better, who still invite denier wackos to be speakers at schools and events. There was the news of a Catholic school in Florida who invited a speaker to talk about Islam, and is known to have spewn out anti Semitic rants before. Crazy.
 
There have been a LOT of deliberate mass annihilations … Ukraine, Armenia, etc, but denying the Holocaust in Europe which mostly [but not exclusively] was targeted at and wiped out Jews in specially designed death camps is a special category.
 
Miguel25 said:
Here in Spain a jewish scholar just called me liar and antisemitic for asking about the gypsies, she said i wanted to put away attention from the jews.

Here is just jew jew jew, no body else is a shame in my country how is explained.
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It sounds like your spots are showing through.

You never did answer the previous question of how many Jews were exterminated during WWII.

I guess I don’t expect an answer. It is a good thing. I don’t want to waste oxygen by having a discussion with a Holocaust denier.
 
About 750,000 Jews made their way to Vatican City and were given false papers and then traveled via Vatican Railway … through German control points … to the sea and sailed away to safety.

The name of the “Chief Forger” was Angelo Roncali … he eventually became Pope John XXIII.

The Jewish refugees with the fake identity papers sailed to safety … but we still do not know where they went. Israel was under British control … so probably not there. Maybe to Spain.

The money for the refugee operation was provided by Cardinal Spellman of New York City who smuggled the cash in under diplomatic cover.

There are a couple of books that peripherally discuss it.

“La Popessa” is one. La Popessa : The Controversial Biography... book by Paul I. Murphy

The other is: Three Popes and the Jews - Wikipedia

There are a couple of other books as well:

https://www.amazon.com/Myth-Hitlers...rd_wg=9cYIF&psc=1&refRID=DCWETXHNE4BHG3H9FHGP

If you are looking for a writing project, this might be a good one.
 
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Why? You’re basically stating learning history is pointless. I don’t understand.
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No I’m not. But I wouldn’t give the Holocaust much more air time than I’d give any other historical event.

A lot of these places are starting to rot to the point that recognition is difficult for some of them.

I say “Hurrah!”

Can’t wait until a farm or housing development or something else positive and forward is built on the site.
 
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Slavery and persecution are a big part of Jewish history. Why forget?
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I’m not arguing for forgetting.

I’m arguing against concentrating on it. “Holocaust” week shouldn’t exist.

If you feel differently, then we should have a week for every event where at least a million people died over some span of time in a discrete historical event.

Unfortunately, there aren’t enough weeks in the year for that…
As for Jewish history, 80% of my woodpile is British and German. I don’t care much about Jewish history.

Similarly, I don’t expect a fully Hebrew Jewish man to give much of a rip about British and German history…
 
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It must never happen again.
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That is the utter shock of it all, it has happened again. It happened again in Cambodia, up to 2 million in China during the 1950s, Bosnia, Rwanda. Then there is the daily massacre of babies in world wide abortion clinics. WHO estimates that there are between 40 and 50 abortions world-wide a year.
 
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That is the utter shock of it all, it has happened again. It happened again in Cambodia, up to 2 million in China during the 1950s, Bosnia, Rwanda. Then there is the daily massacre of babies in world wide abortion clinics. WHO estimates that there are between 40 and 50 abortions world-wide a year.
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Worth repeating.
 
Vonsalza said:
A lot of these places are starting to rot to the point that recognition is difficult for some of them.

I say “Hurrah!”

Can’t wait until a farm or housing development or something else positive and forward is built on the site.
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What is your understanding of why someplace like Poland is not allowing Auschwitz and other camps to rot away?
 
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