moondweller;3425389(Moondweller) But no council is infallible said:
Your authority on your above statement proves contrary to Sacred Scripture. In Acts15 clearly defines an infallible authority being used here in the council of Jerusalem, vs. 17b “Thus says the Lord who accomplishes these things known from old.”…vs.28 It is the decision of the HOLY SPIRIT AND OF US ( INFALLIBILITY) not to place you any burden beyond these necessities.
(Moondweller) And if they were infallible why then did your church have to give
final sanction to its canon at the council of Trent? Why would something
infallibly determined in earlier councils have to be sanctioned in a much later one?
(Gabriel of 12)
Because these canonized books of the bible, were being under attacked, by sometimes Catholics themselves, and so Supreme Councils were headed in order to hear these accusations out, notice although, at the conclusion of each counsel, the canonized books remained the same, they never changed. Council of Trent is saying, no more discussion will be heard of the cannon, “Thus says the Lord”, it is the decision of the Holy Spirit and of Us (the church council the successors of the Apostles)
(Moondweller) (LoL) Nowhere in Christ’s recorded words do I read that He gave over, or left, His authority to anyone on earth, but that He Himself alone is still “
head of the body, the church.”
(Gabriel of 12)** Laugh all you want, but here is your proof, that Jesus left on earth a teaching authority, and a body on earth, to exercise this given authority, to which he is the head in heaven of the body on earth. This complete body, is one faith, One Holy Catholic Apostolic church, One baptism , under one Lord.
The following scriptures dispute your claim that Jesus did not give authority to his body on earth to exercise his authority on earth.
Matthew 16:17 Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood 12 has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father. 18
And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it. 19 I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
Luke 22:31 “Simon, Simon, behold Satan has demanded to sift all of you like wheat,
32 but I have prayed that your own faith may not fail; and once you have turned back, you must strengthen your brothers.”
Matthew 18: 15 "If your brother 12 sins (against you), go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have won over your brother. 16 If he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, so that ‘every fact may be established on the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell the church. 14 If he refuses to listen even to the church, then treat him as you would a Gentile or a tax collector. 18 Amen, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
John 21: 15 When they had finished breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, “Simon, son of John, do you love me more than these?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Feed my lambs.” 16 He then said to him a second time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” He said to him, “Yes, Lord, you know that I love you.” He said to him, “Tend my sheep.” 17 He said to him the third time, “Simon, son of John, do you love me?” Peter was distressed that he had said to him a third time, “Do you love me?” and he said to him, “Lord, you know everything; you know that I love you.” (Jesus) said to him, "Feed my sheep.
Mark 3: 14 He appointed twelve (whom he also named apostles) that they might be with him 6 and he might send them forth to preach 15 and to have authority to drive out demons and gave them authority over unclean spirits.**
Luke 10: 8 Whatever town you enter and they welcome you, eat what is set before you, 9 cure the sick in it and say to them, ‘The kingdom of God is at hand for you.’ 10 Whatever town you enter and they do not receive you, go out into the streets and say,
11 ‘The dust of your town that clings to our feet, even that we shake off against you.’ Yet know this: the kingdom of God is at hand. 12 I tell you, it will be more tolerable for Sodom on that day than for that town.
Matthew 10: 32 Everyone who acknowledges me before others I will acknowledge before my heavenly Father. 33 But whoever denies me before others, I will deny before my heavenly Father. 34 "Do not think that I have come to bring peace upon the earth. I have come to bring not peace but the sword.
John 15: 26 "When the Advocate comes whom I will send 12 you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that proceeds from the Father, he will testify to me. 27 And you also testify, because you have been with me from the beginning.
Matthew 28: 18 Then Jesus approached and said to them, “All power in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go, therefore, 12 and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the holy Spirit, 20
teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. 13 And behold, I am with you always, until the end of the age.”
Ephesians 4: 4 one body and one Spirit, as you were also called to the one hope of your call; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
