Why won't Carter debate his book?

[rlg94086]

How about “moronic”?, “anti-historical”?

Did Dershowitz say that…or is he quoting other reviewers? Answer: other reviewers.

gnjsdad:

I have to chuckle at your characterization of Carter as “cowering in a corner” because he refuses to debate the likes of Dershowitz. As if Dershowitz embodied a standard anyone should follow…

Good! I said it to make you chuckle. You are taking all of this way too seriously IMO.

Dershowitz has written a few books on the subject, and I think it would be a good debate. I can’t imagine any reason why Carter would not debate him, unless Carter is not confident in his arguments. Since even Nancy Pelosi has distanced herself and the party from Carter’s book, I would say his arguments are probably not very strong.

I would also note that I am not saying Carter should be forced to debate Dershowitz. It is certainly his choice. However, it would probably help Carter sell books, especially with all the buzz about this.

 

[rlg94086]

So I guess the real “smears” were the things I pointed out in post #79 where Carter was accused of encouraging terrorism and also, by innuendo, declared mentally ill.

That’s some varsity smearing!

I’m sorry, but who are you quoting in #79? Is that Dershowitz or someone else?

max37:

I think you’re mixing me up with some others around here. I don’t recall ever using the words anti-semitic, or naming any objectives of Dershowitz, except for one, he wants more media time. That is is only goal.

No, originally it was Texas Roofer (post #75):

Originally Posted by Texas Roofer

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*Bob *
*The answer to the question you asked is *
Jimmy Carter would be smeared and labeled Anti-Semite.
This would be incorrect but it is one of the 2 objectives by the anti-Carter crowd the other objective is to get personal publicity

Really? So, if you know these are the 2 objectives, you must have read it somewhere. Can you cite your source? I haven’t heard it written or voiced by anyone.

But you then responded (post #76):

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Originally Posted by rlg94086

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Really? So, if you know these are the 2 objectives, you must have read it somewhere. Can you cite your source? I haven’t heard it written or voiced by anyone.

I haven’t seen that anywhere either, but it seems obvious. If you can’t smear him one way or the other, you’re going to have to consider that he may be right.

I took that to mean that you thought the 2 objectives were obvious.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

No, originally it was Texas Roofer (post #75):

That is correct btw just how many subjects does your fellow claim to be an expert on? I looked up some reading for you but frankly it makes me sick.

zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10891
jewsformorality.org/pr_dershowitz.htm
thecrimson.com/printerfriendly.aspx?ref=231746
zmag.org/content/print_article.cfm?itemID=7650&sectionID=107
zmag.org/content/showarticle.cfm?SectionID=107&ItemID=10891

" His appetite for publicity seemed insatiable" - law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/Simpson/Dershowitz.htm

John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt
Main article: The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign Policy
University of Chicago professor John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt of Harvard, both political scientists, published in March 2006 a paper which criticizes what they describe as the “Israel Lobby” for influencing U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East away from U.S. interests and towards Israel’s interests. Mearsheimer and Walt describe Dershowitz in the paper as an “apologist” for the Israel lobby. In response, Dershowitz described Walt and Mearsheimer as “liars” and “bigots,”[29] He suggested further that the paper was plagiarized from various hate sites:*** “every paragraph virtually is copied from a neo-Nazi Web site, from a radical Islamic Web site, from David Duke’s Web site***.”[30] Subsequently, Dershowitz wrote an extensive report challenging the factual basis of the report, calling into question the motivations of the authors and their scholarship. His report claims that the “paper contains three types of major errors: quotations are wrenched out of context, important facts are misstated or omitted, and embarrassingly weak logic is employed.”[31]
In a letter published in the London Review of Books, Mearsheimer and Walt respond to Dershowitz’s contention that they used racist sources for their article, stating that "Dershowitz offers no evidence to support this false claim."32] Referring to the movement to divest from Israel, the Harvard Crimson quotes Dershowitz as telling students, "Your House master is a bigot and you ought to know that. Everyone else who signed that petition is also a bigot."[33]— en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

William (“Billy”) M. Bulger
During the time period that former Massachusetts Senate President William (“Billy”) M. Bulger still held one of that state’s most-powerful offices (and afterwards), Alan Dershowitz was one of his most-prominent critics.[20] Dershowitz’s disdain for Bulger stems in part from remarks that Bulger made at a Governor’s Council hearing which Dershowitz perceived as anti-Semitic.[21]—http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

Hope that helps explain why his request to President Carter should be dismissed

 

[rlg94086]

That is correct btw just how many subjects does your fellow claim to be an expert on? I looked up some reading for you but frankly it makes me sick.

He’s not “my fellow.” I would just like to see a debate between him and Carter. I personally don’t like Dershowitz…or Carter. But, they both are knowledgable about the issues between Israel and Palestine, so it would be interesting to see them duke it out.
Texas Roofer:

Hope that helps explain why his request to President Carter should be dismissed

Somewhat, but I don’t think it necessary proves your assertion regarding his 2 objectives.

None of the links you provided apply to Carter’s book, nor do they question Dershowitz’s knowledge about the Middle East.

I have no way of knowing whether he was right or wrong about the two professors in the argument you quoted. It’s only a smear if he was wrong, when he said they copied information from the nazi, pro-islamic and David Duke websites.

Two of the links were duplicates of a hit piece on Dershowitz written by Noam Chomsky. I don’t consider him a good, unbiased source.

One of the links was a hit piece by a conservative website, saying he is an ultra-liberal, secular Jew (which he is). I’m not sure how that helps your argument, at all.

 

[stanmaxkolbe]

Reagan stopped cold the spread of communism in Central America despite the efforts of the democrat congress to thwart him. For that alone he should have gotten the peace prize.

Estesbob you ROCK!
Yes I totally agree with you, except about the prize! I was down there man. The only law that was broken is that the liberal congress (democrats) voted not to fund fighting communists in Central America.

The Nobel Peace Prize IMHO is nothing. The guy who [forgot his name] invented the gas during WWI that was used during that war and used in WWII in the Concentration Camps also got the Nobel Peace Prize. That prize don’t mean jack, except for money.

The Contra thing was a victory. I know the MSM will never admit it. The people down there loved what we were doing.

President Carter as we said back in the seventies and beginning of the eighties United States Military [majority], “Carter is a wimp.” He was a weak President. Ask Iran about that.

Today he is only concerned about his legacy and nothing else that’s why he won’t debate him.

Remember people if it is up to Jimmy Carter you spend too much time on the net! You can only spend 55 minutes a day. Some people will take that statement for real!

You young people you were never forced to drive 55 mph across the country!

Come to think of it Dershowitz is just a big hippy from what I remember so maybe Jimmy should not bring himself down to debate him

 

[Texas_Roofer]

He’s not “my fellow.” I would just like to see a debate between him and Carter. I personally don’t like Dershowitz…or Carter. But, they both are knowledgable about the issues between Israel and Palestine, so it would be interesting to see them duke it out.

Somewhat, but I don’t think it necessary proves your assertion regarding his 2 objectives.

None of the links you provided apply to Carter’s book, nor do they question Dershowitz’s knowledge about the Middle East.

I have no way of knowing whether he was right or wrong about the two professors in the argument you quoted. It’s only a smear if he was wrong, when he said they copied information from the nazi, pro-islamic and David Duke websites.

Two of the links were duplicates of a hit piece on Dershowitz written by Noam Chomsky. I don’t consider him a good, unbiased source.

One of the links was a hit piece by a conservative website, saying he is an ultra-liberal, secular Jew (which he is). I’m not sure how that helps your argument, at all.

Well if finding out more about that “expert” go on the web there are many more such articles about that fellow. They have common themes.

Second can anyone document that fellow is an expert on the U.S Presidential issues? Reading the articles the link would be clear.

Third since the expert wrote books on the same subject, then he had plenty of opportunity to teach on that issue. I’ll bet the problem is few read his books, or care about his opinion on this issue.

Fourth why watch a debate between 2 people you do not like?

Fifth The Israel- Palestinian issue should not be my business so why are we sending my tax dollars there to thwart democracy? This has been asked before, yet where is the answer?

And last could Carter’s book get more publicity?