Why won't non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

[Non_Serviam]

Popping in for one last visit before heading out for two weeks. I see a couple of individuals have questioned the use of the word “dead” in the discussion.

first an example of using the word “dead” to describe a believer-Acts 9:36 and 37 where it is used to describe Tabitha.

As a point of clarification, I use the term “dead saints” for precision, to distinguish them from angels, who are considered saints by the Catholic church and to distinguish them from Christians who were currently living when the Apostles wrote to churches-the New Testament use of the word “saint”.

I wish everyone well and hope your discussions are fruitful.

NS

 

[SD_Catholic]

As a point of clarification, I use the term “dead saints” for precision, to distinguish them from angels, who are considered saints by the Catholic church

??? I don’t believe this is an accurate statement.

SD

 

[LilyM]

??? I don’t believe this is an accurate statement.

SD

St Michael the Archangel? St Gabriel the Archangel? St Raphael the Archangel? Angels certainly are named as saints in the Catholic church!

 

[SD_Catholic]

St Michael the Archangel? St Gabriel the Archangel? St Raphael the Archangel? Angels certainly are named as saints in the Catholic church!

That’s what I said JK… Actually I guess I’m not sure why I didn’t think of that now that you post them that way… I guess I always remember reading that angels were seperate beings from saints… why would we give the title saint to an unhuman being… I was thinking that the title saint was for humans…Thanks Lily

SD

 

[LilyM]

That’s what I said JK… Actually I guess I’m not sure why I didn’t think of that now that you post them that way… I guess I always remember reading that angels were seperate beings from saints… why would we give the title saint to an unhuman being… I was thinking that the title saint was for humans…Thanks Lily

SD

Por nada :tiphat:

Actually the title ‘saint’ comes from the Latin word simply meaning ‘holy’. So as well as angels and men and women, objects such as the Bible and church buildings were all ‘saints’ at one time

 

[SD_Catholic]

Por nada :tiphat:

Actually the title ‘saint’ comes from the Latin word simply meaning ‘holy’. So as well as angels and men and women, objects such as the Bible and church buildings were all ‘saints’ at one time

I just love learning… and just when you think you got something figured out…:manvspc:

Sorry I don’t know what “Por nada” means … My vocab is pretty limited to English… although someday I would love to learn the words of the Latin mass

SD

 

[Doolin]

Non Serviam

first an example of using the word “dead” to describe a believer-Acts 9:36 and 37 where it is used to describe Tabitha.

As a point of clarification, I use the term “dead saints” for precision, to distinguish them from angels, who are considered saints by the Catholic church and to distinguish them from Christians who were currently living when the Apostles wrote to churches-the New Testament use of the word “saint”.

Thank you NS for your clarification.
I kept thinking of “Night of the living dead saints”.
I guess I probably would have used just “saints in heaven”
Most do not refer to Angels as saints even thought they are saints.

Also thanks for your reference to Acts 9. This is so interesting because in this passage Tabitha dies and Peter is called to visit her. Peter then talks to Tabitha and says " Tabitha rise". This is a great example of one of the Apostles talking to a “dead saint” and asking them to do something.

Yet some do not consider the request to “Tabitha rise” as prayer.
Yet we have an Apostle speaking to someone dead. Or maybe they are alive still seeing how the were able to respond.
I guess death is conquered through Christ.
Many Blessings
Doolin

 

[Cinette]

I just love learning… and just when you think you got something figured out…:manvspc:

Sorry I don’t know what “Por nada” means … My vocab is pretty limited to English… although someday I would love to learn the words of the Latin mass

SD

In Portuguese it would be “de nada” meaning “don’t mention it”. I would imagine that this is what “por nada” means

Cinette

 

[Good_Fella]

I came across ‘The Miracle of the Rosary’ by Elvis Presley on www.youtube.com. Check it out.

 

[Jimmy_B]

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Here is the Vatican’s link for the Holy Rosary
vatican.va/special/rosary/index_rosary.htm

 

[aksmoot]

The earliest Christians taught by the Apostles were praying to the Saints

What support do you have for this?

 

[Ronald_E]

What support do you have for this?

I was thinking that we do not have to have support for the Rosary because it is a prayer of love for all humanity. When I pray the Rosary I pray for whoever God puts into my mind at the time. A lot of the time it is for people who are considered enemies.
The Rosary is an expression of love for those we see and do not see and it is an expression of trust in God and those who are closest to Him. There is no point in providing supporting proof.

 

[SD_Catholic]

What support do you have for this?

These were all written before the “Bible” existed… so these authors relied on what had been handed down and taught from the Apostles

Origen

But not the high priest [Christ] alone prays for those who pray sincerely, but also the angels… as also the souls of the saints who have already fallen asleep (On Prayer II [A.D. 233]).

Pectorius

Aschandius, my father, dearly beloved of my heart, with my sweet mother and my brethren, remember your Pectorius in the peace of the Fish [Christ] (Epitaph [A.D. 250]).

Cyprian

Let us remember one another in concord and unanimity. Let us on both sides always pray for one another. Let us relieve burdens and afflictions by mutual love, that if one of us, by the swiftness of divine condescension, shall go hence the first, our love may continue in the presence of the Lord, and our prayers for our brethren and sisters not cease in the presence of the Father’s mercy (Letters 56[60]:5 [A.D. 252]).

“Then we commemorate also those who have fallen asleep before us, first Patriarchs, Prophets, Apostles, Martyrs, that at their prayers and intercessions God would receive our petition. Then on behalf also of the Holy Fathers and Bishops who have fallen asleep before us, and in a word of all who in past years have fallen asleep among us, believing that it will be a very great benefit to the souls, for whom the supplication is put up, while that holy and most awful sacrifice is set forth.” Cyril of Jerusalem, Catechetical Lectures, 23:9 (A.D. 350).

SD

 

[hays1122]

http://www.vatican.va/special/rosary/img/home_rosario_en.jpg

Here is the Vatican’s link for the Holy Rosary
vatican.va/special/rosary/index_rosary.htm

This picture of the Rosary,with the crucifix makes me think of those EWTN speakers who make fun of protestants for “dwelling on Jesus dying for our sins”. More then once I have heard comments on how protestants always bring up the fact that Jesus died for their sins.
As if it’s wrong because Jesus rose from the grave and that’s what we should be thinking of more the the dying part. Well what does that crucifix on the Rosary signify?
And isn’t that rosary held and prayed over every day sometimes more then once by every good catholic?
Or is it only the sharing our faith and mentioning that Christ died for our sins that’s so laughable?
I wish it wasn’t so hard to get through to those radio talk shows.
I’d ask them right now.

 

[LilyM]

This picture of the Rosary,with the crucifix makes me think of those EWTN speakers who make fun of protestants for “dwelling on Jesus dying for our sins”. More then once I have heard comments on how protestants always bring up the fact that Jesus died for their sins.
As if it’s wrong because Jesus rose from the grave and that’s what we should be thinking of more the the dying part. Well what does that crucifix on the Rosary signify?
And isn’t that rosary held and prayed over every day sometimes more then once by every good catholic?
Or is it only the sharing our faith and mentioning that Christ died for our sins that’s so laughable?
I wish it wasn’t so hard to get through to those radio talk shows.
I’d ask them right now.

It’s not the idea that ‘Jesus died for my sins’ that we disagree with - not a bit.

What we disaagree with is a belief held by some non-Catholics, known as ‘Once Saved Always Saved’ (OSAS). This is basically the idea (with a few variations) that BECAUSE Jesus died for your sins, you can pretty much sin as much as you like in the future and will never lose your salvation. Or that BECAUSE Jesus died for your sins, you just need to sit back and twiddle your thumbs and wait for heaven - that there’s nothing further to be done on your part.

 

[SD_Catholic]

This picture of the Rosary,with the crucifix makes me think of those EWTN speakers who make fun of protestants for “dwelling on Jesus dying for our sins”. More then once I have heard comments on how protestants always bring up the fact that Jesus died for their sins.
As if it’s wrong because Jesus rose from the grave and that’s what we should be thinking of more the the dying part. Well what does that crucifix on the Rosary signify?
And isn’t that rosary held and prayed over every day sometimes more then once by every good catholic?
Or is it only the sharing our faith and mentioning that Christ died for our sins that’s so laughable?
I wish it wasn’t so hard to get through to those radio talk shows.
I’d ask them right now.

Like LilyM… I’ve never heard them be critical of Protestants talking about Jesus’s death in the way you make it sound, but only in the way LiliyM described.

In fact the way you described is the way I hear Protestants be critical of Catholics… like, “why do you still hang him from the cross?”… Since the CC is one of the few that use the crucifix I highly doubt Catholics would ctiticize a Protestant for talking about the death of Jesus in that way.

SD

 

[Grandad]

Thanks for the link to Pope John Paul II’s site for the Rosary.
I’m not a Catholic and I pray the Rosary

 

[Good_Fella]

Thanks for the link to Pope John Paul II’s site for the Rosary.
I’m not a Catholic and I pray the Rosary

“Again, I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything for which they are to pray, it shall be granted to them by my heavenly Father.”
Matthew 18, 19

Thank you, Grandad, for spiritually uniting with me in the recitation of the Rosary. Approaching the throne of God’s grace together in prayer gives me greater confidence that I shall receive the graces necessary for my salvation through the maternal intercession of our Blessed Mother and Patroness.

Pax Christu :harp:

 

[vera_dicere]

Probably because of the “Hail Mary”…I know that is why I do not recite it. I currently don’t believe in the intersession of Mary or of the saints.

But, someday I think I will try…if I ever learn.

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You’re aware, are you not, that the “hail” is actually a greeting? Hail, Mary, full of grace… was said to her by the angel who visted her. Its perfectly bibical.

Would you pray it if was modernised:

“Gidday Mary, you’re absolutely awesome, God throws his grace your way!”

 

[Good_Fella]

You’re aware, are you not, that the “hail” is actually a greeting? Hail, Mary, full of grace… was said to her by the angel who visted her. Its perfectly bibical.

Would you pray it if was modernised:

“Gidday Mary, you’re absolutely awesome, God throws his grace your way!”

Is there a feminine form for “mate”? Or is the word neuter?