Why won't non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

[Matthew28_6]

Where in the bible does it say that the Rosary is a pagan idea?
Do you throw your hands up in the air at your church service? Do you close your eyes or bow your head or look up or stand or etc., etc.? Do you make up your own prayers?

Study the origin of Rosary and you’ll find it not in Scripture but rooted in paganism, just like Christmas (birth of Tammuz), Lent (death of Tammuz), Easter (the sun goddess Astarte being divinely impregnanted by Nimrod, a sun god), Sunday Worship (exchanging God’s Sabbath rest on a Friday evening to Saturday evening for Sunday in honour of Babylonian sun-gods), etc. etc.

Praying to the dead is paganism, and forbidden in Scripture. And as I’ve proven using Scripture Mary is currently asleep in the grave.

 

[Thing]

They have the right to act according to the Word, but they don’t have the right to establish traditions not found in Scripture, and they especially don’t have the right to establish traditions based upon paganism.

One needs to have Scriptural support in order to justify the tradition, and since Catholics cannot justify bowing down to Mary then the tradition in man-centred and not Christ-centred. The pope is not Christ’s representatives, and Peter was not a pope.

And I’m still looking for Scriptural support justifying Mary being in heaven now and not in the grave asleep awaiting resurrection on the Day of Yahshua.

Scripture comes from the word ‘write’ or ‘to write’; ‘our Traditions of old we commit to writing’, and '‘our Traditions of old we did not commit to writing but which we continued as usual to pass to others by word of mouth’ are both Traditions and both have equal authority and weight.
Some people pitch Tradition against itself, Sacred Tradition used by people to beat up Sacred Tradition.

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And the whole point of Christianity is that the dead are alive after death. Moses? speaking from paradise with Christ?

 

[Pharos963]

here’s something I can’t understand about our protestant brothers and sisters…Mary being the new Eve should be held in a place of honor…Wait, why would I assume that protestants consider Mary the “new eve”. There is no scriptural reference to this, so I assume that a protestant would not hold this to be true. But as the Mother of the Christ anyone should be able to make this leap even if it is not in the bible. A church that places our Saviors mother in such high regard seems to be one the right track. Think about what the catholic church teaches, That The Mother Of God should be held in high esteem…Seems only logical for the Mother of The Christ to be placed in a position of high statue. I can quote alot of biblical verses to back up that statement…so what are we doing when we Catholics pray the rosary? all we are doing is going over the gospels.The mysteries of the rosary only follow gospel teaching line for line .Why is that so wrong? If there is something wrong with recalling the gospels someone needs to tell me.As far as “mumbling” certain prayers over and over again. Jesus Himself taught everyone the perfect prayer!!! Our Father so according to certain protestant holdings when ever I pray the Our Father I am doing wrong.Since this is a reparatious pray…Right?

 

[Matthew28_6]

And the whole point of Christianity is that the dead are alive after death. Moses? speaking from paradise with Christ?

Hmmm… I must say Thing, you got me on this “Moses” for now when he appeared with Elijah before Yahshua’s crucifixion. Gotta go back to the drawing board. Arghhh!

 

[elts1956]

What I am doing is trying to show that there is NO biblical foundation for the rosary. It is a pagan idea that God does not honor. If He did honor it you would be able to find refernce to it in the Bible.

No, you won’t find mention of the Rosary in the Bible. If you believe in Sola Scruptura, then that is your only foundation. The Catholic Church has a history also of Tradition and tradition, also many documents written by the Early Fathers and later the Popes. We have people whom we believe to be Saints. One of the Saints, St. Dominc (could be wrong about that), introduced the Rosary as we have it today, several centuries ago. It is our special prayer in honor of the Mother of God.

 

[DLClark]

How do you know that you aren’t being decieved into thinking there is something special about the rosary?

 

[emeraldcoast]

How do you know that you aren’t being decieved into thinking there is something special about the rosary?

I think this is a great question. I look forward to hearing Catholic responses to your post.

God Bless!

 

[elts1956]

What I am doing is trying to show that there is NO biblical foundation for the rosary. It is a pagan idea that God does not honor. If He did honor it you would be able to find refernce to it in the Bible.

Got Scripture to support your words?

I provided Scripture to support the notion that she’s currently asleep in the grave, waiting to be raised to life with the rest us. I even provided Scripture passages to say even Mary was sinful. Nowhere does it say upon death we get raised immediately, rather it says we fall asleep until the Day of Yahshua. People fall asleep, they go into temporary suspension of time, it will seem like a twinkling of an eye from the moment they die to the moment they are raised, but in reality a lot of time passes between the two events, depending on when you die. Yes He is the God of the living, but being dead doesn’t mean one is spiritually dead. Those who do not have God’s Spirit are dead, they’ll perish when they die, becoming non-existent again; however, those with His Spirit are alive, whether awake (on earth) or asleep (in the grave). Mary is not in heaven awake now, she’s alseep awaiting her resurrection in a spiritual body, just like the rest of the saints and all other believers who have died since the resurrection.

Here are a few words you might have missed.

THE ADVENT

newadvent.org/cathen/02006b.htm

This feast has a double object: (1) the happy departure of Mary from this life; (2) the assumption of her body into heaven. It is the principal feast of the Blessed Virgin.

The fact of the Assumption
Regarding the day, year, and manner of Our Lady’s death, nothing certain is known. The earliest known literary reference to the Assumption is found in the Greek work De Obitu S. Dominae. Catholic faith, however, has always derived our knowledge of the mystery from Apostolic Tradition. Epiphanius (d. 403) acknowledged that he knew nothing definite about it (Haer., lxxix, 11). The dates assigned for it vary between three and fifteen years after Christ’s Ascension. Two cities claim to be the place of her departure: Jerusalem and Ephesus. Common consent favours Jerusalem, where her tomb is shown; but some argue in favour of Ephesus. The first six centuries did not know of the tomb of Mary at Jerusalem.

The belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is founded on the apocryphal treatise De Obitu S. Dominae, bearing the name of St. John, which belongs however to the fourth or fifth century. It is also found in the book De Transitu Virginis, falsely ascribed to St. Melito of Sardis, and in a spurious letter attributed to St. Denis the Areopagite. If we consult genuine writings in the East, it is mentioned in the sermons of St. Andrew of Crete, St. John Damascene, St. Modestus of Jerusalem and others. In the West, St. Gregory of Tours (De gloria mart., I, iv) mentions it first. The sermons of St. Jerome and St. Augustine for this feast, however, are spurious. St. John of Damascus (P.G., I, 96) thus formulates the tradition of the Church of Jerusalem:

St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened, upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven.

Today, the belief in the corporeal assumption of Mary is universal in the East and in the West; according to Benedict XIV (De Festis B.V.M., I, viii, 18) it is a probable opinion, which to deny were impious and blasphemous.

His Holiness Pope Pius XII
Encyclical Proclaiming a Marian Year
September 8, 1953

THE IMMACULATE CONCEPTION

1. In the first place, the foundation of this doctrine is to be found in Sacred Scripture, where we are taught that God, Creator of all things, after the sad fall of Adam, addressed the serpent, the tempter and corrupter, in these words, which not a few Fathers, Doctors of the Church and many approved interpreters applied to the Virgin Mother of God: “I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed” (Gen. III-15). Now, if at any time the Blessed Mary were destitute of Divine grace even for the briefest moment, because of contamination in her conception by the hereditary stain of sin, there would not have come between her and the serpent that perpetual enmity spoken of from earliest tradition down to the time of the solemn definition of the Immaculate Conception, but rather a certain subjection.
2. Moreover, since the same holy Virgin is saluted “full of grace” and “blessed among women” (Luke I. 28, 24), by these words, as Catholic tradition has always interpreted, it is plainly indicated that “by this singular and solemn salutation, otherwise never heard of, it is shown that the Mother of God was the abode of all Divine graces, adorned with all the charisms of the Holy Spirit, yea, the treasury well nigh infinite and abyss inexhaustible of these charisms, so that she was never subjected to the one accursed” (Bull Ineffabilis Deus).
3. This doctrine, unanimously received in the early Church, has been handed down clearly enough by the Fathers, who claimed for the Blessed Virgin such titles as Lily Among Thorns; Land Wholly Intact; Immaculate; Always Blessed; Free From All Contagion Of Sin; Unfading Tree; Fountain Ever Clear; The One And Only Daughter Not Of Death But Of Life; Offspring Not Of Wrath But Of Grace; Unimpaired And Ever Unimpaired; Holy And Stranger To All Stain Of Sin; More Comely Than Comeliness Itself; More Holy Than Sanctity; Alone Holy Who, Excepting God, Is Higher Than All; By Nature More Beautiful, More Graceful And More Holy Than The Cherubim And Seraphim Themselves And The Whole Host Of Angels."

 

[Thing]

How do you know that you aren’t being decieved into thinking there is something special about the rosary?

How do you know you are’nt being deceived into thinking there is something wrong with the Rosary.

After all the Rosary is made of the only prayer Christ ever taught us, the Our Father, and also of the words from Sacred Scripture, the words of the angel and of Elizabeth to Mary.
Does Scripture profit us nothing?

Is there something wrong with any of that.
What type of person, or being, would find fault with with those things?

 

[Jimmy_B]

Goodfella,
You response did provide any biblical references for the rosary. What verses in the Bible state that we should use a rosary to pray with?

DLClark,

Ah, hah…your Christian roots must have come from John Calvin. Let’s see… Calvin believed that if the Bible doesn’t say we can do it, then we can’t… And, for those who followed Martin Luther… if the Bible doesn’t say that we can’t, then we can.

Don’t believe me, then research your Protestant, non-Catholic Christians beliefs.

How did you decide what version of Protestantism it was that you were going to follow? Why did you pick a Calvin Branch over a Luther branch…or vice a versa? Just wondering.

Am I wrong? Do you where your beliefs come from?

Please go back and read the first few posts here. The Rosary is a prayer of the Gospels. The biblical references for the Rosary are found throughout the Gospels. It is not a Catholic "requirement” to pray the Rosary, just one of many ways that Catholics Christians and non-Catholic Christians can connect with Christ.

Catholicism is a very rich and encompassing religion that is universal and is the perfect expression of Christianity, a Christian expression that transcends. It transcends race, culture, country, time and so on.

The Catholic Church represents the Full Deposit of Faith. Simply, defending your beliefs by asking for justification of another’s beliefs, without any effort to understand the other side, doesn’t make much sense.

Christianity and Christ cannot be and should not be minimized or summed-up by using a handful of bible verses. I encourage you to continue your journey.

The Bible is a Catholic Book, therefore, all of it, the entire Bible, supports Catholicism in one way or another, when read and understood in context.

If not for the Catholic Church, we wouldn’t be having this debate today. No Catholic Church (the first 1500 years of Christianity) equals - no Protestant denomination today… So many here seem to forget that and seem to reject, or deny Christian history today…why is that?

One cannot begin to connect the “Christians dots”, without first connecting the “Catholic dots”.

So, when you ask a Catholic, “where is that in the Bible?” my response is, “Have you first, bothered to look yourself?”

We are all here to try to help each other understand the differences in our faiths but the burden of proving a Catholic belief cannot be placed on Catholics, because we were here first. If someone decides that, they want to “re-invent” Christianity, 1500 or 2000 years after the fact, then the burden is on them….

In other words, why don’t you explain why it is that we Catholics cannot pray the Rosary? And, if you are a Christian today, then why aren’t you a Catholic. Moreover, of the 36,000 different non-Catholic, Protestant Christian denominations and sub-division those exist today, in your estimation, which one is the best expression of Christianity? Finally, how do you explain non-Catholic Christians who have no problem with praying the Rosary?

I hope this helps. I look forward to your response…

Thank you for your post.

 

[Jimmy_B]

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DLClark

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Ah, hah…your Christian roots must have come from John Calvin. Let’s see… Calvin believed that if the Bible doesn’t say we can do it, then we can’t… And, for those who followed Martin Luther… if the Bible doesn’t say that we can’t, then we can.

Don’t believe me, then research your Protestant, non-Catholic Christians roots.

How did you decide which version of Protestantism it was that you were going to follow? Why did you pick a Calvin branch over a Luther branch…or vice a versa? Just wondering.

Am I wrong? Do you know where your “modern”, “Christian” beliefs came from?

Please go back and read the first few posts here. The Rosary is a prayer of the Gospels. The biblical references for the Rosary are found throughout the Gospels.

Let me add that it is not a Catholic "requirement” to pray the Rosary, just one of many ways that Catholics Christians and non-Catholic Christians can connect with Christ.

Catholicism is a very rich and encompassing religion that is universal and is the perfect expression of Christianity, a Christian expression that transcends. It transcends race, culture, country, time and so on.

The Catholic Church represents the Full Deposit of Faith. Simply, defending your beliefs by asking for justification of another’s beliefs, without any effort to understand the other side, doesn’t make much sense.

Christianity and Christ cannot be and should not be minimized or summed-up by using a handful of bible verses. I encourage you to continue your journey.

The Bible is a Catholic Book, therefore, all of it, the entire Bible, supports Catholicism in one way or another, when read and understood in context.

If not for the Catholic Church, we wouldn’t be having this debate today.

No Catholic Church (the first 1500 years of Christianity) equals - no Protestant denomination today.

So many Protestants here seem to forget that and seem to reject, or deny Christian history today…why is that?

One cannot begin to connect the “Christians dots”, without first connecting the “Catholic dots”.

So, when you ask a Catholic, “Where is that in the Bible?” my response is, “Have you first, bothered to look yourself?”

We are all here to try to help each other understand the differences in our faiths but the burden of proving a Catholic belief cannot be placed on Catholics, because we were here first. If someone decides that, they want to “re-invent” Christianity, 1500 or 2000 years after the fact, then the burden is on them….

In other words, why don’t you explain why it is that we Catholics cannot pray the Rosary?

And, if you are a Christian today, then why aren’t you a Catholic?

Moreover, of the 36,000 different non-Catholic, Protestant Christian denominations and sub-divisions of Protestantism those exist today, in your estimation, which one is the best expression of Christianity?

Some Protestant denomination allow gay marriage and abortions and some are apposed. Some Protestant denominations believe in Predestination and “Once Saved Always Saved” (OSAS) and some do not… In some Protestant denominations, they believe in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and some do not and some non-Catholic Christians pray the Rosary and some do not and the list goes on, up to about 36,000 different and unique belief systems and different rule-sets. .

Are you beginning to sense a theme here?

How do you explain these different "Christian” beliefs and how do explain non-Catholic Christians, who have no problem with praying the Rosary?

I hope this helps. I look forward to your response…

Thank you for your post.

Your Thoughts?
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[DLClark]

I have asked this question many times “How do you know that you aren’t being decieved into thinking there is something special about the rosary?” I have also, asked for you to provide biblical proof for the use of the rosary. With both question I have not received a biblical response supporting the rosary. Where in the Bible is the rosay mentioned? If it is not found in the Bible then how do we know that to use it will be pleasing to God? If the bible is silent on a subject then we must be as well or be in danger of adding to the Word of God. Adding to God’s Word is condemned in the Bible.

 

[Ronald_E]

I have asked this question many times “How do you know that you aren’t being decieved into thinking there is something special about the rosary?” I have also, asked for you to provide biblical proof for the use of the rosary. With both question I have not received a biblical response supporting the rosary. Where in the Bible is the rosay mentioned? If it is not found in the Bible then how do we know that to use it will be pleasing to God? If the bible is silent on a subject then we must be as well or be in danger of adding to the Word of God. Adding to God’s Word is condemned in the Bible.

DL, You don’t have to question us about this. Our faith is secure with God. You have seen in posts that when we pray the Rosary we are praying the Mysteries of our Faith that are in the Bible.
Also, taking away from God’s Word is not to be done. I am perfectly secure in praying God’s Word with the use of the Rosary even when I do not have the rosary in my hand while I go out on my morning Rosary run. I use my fingers. Soon the prayer goes into the background while I am still praying and God opens me to an awareness of His Love or the suffering in the world, or those who need prayer(even perceived enemies), or new insights into the depth of His Love for all and much much more.
So the Spirit in me is telling me that this is God’s Gift of Grace and consequently, I accept this beautiful Gift that was not even requested by me.
Are you asking these questions in the spirit of charity or something other than charity?

 

[Thing]

I have asked this question many times “How do you know that you aren’t being decieved into thinking there is something special about the rosary?” I have also, asked for you to provide biblical proof for the use of the rosary. With both question I have not received a biblical response supporting the rosary. Where in the Bible is the rosay mentioned? If it is not found in the Bible then how do we know that to use it will be pleasing to God? If the bible is silent on a subject then we must be as well or be in danger of adding to the Word of God. Adding to God’s Word is condemned in the Bible.

The Rosary is the word of God. It is the Our Father - Mt 6:9-13, and Luke 1:28, and Luke 1:42.

Hope you see the answers to both your questions there.

 

[madabkr4tx]

Why won’t non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

**Mary full of grace**,
the Lord is with thee.
Blessed art thou among women,
and blessed is the fruit of thy womb,
for thou hast borne Christ the Saviour,
the Deliverer of our souls.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

This is why I do not say the Rosary, at least not all of it. Does this mean Catholics are wrong and doomed? Nope, because you live in Christ and accept that we are saved through Grace. That is the important part.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Posted by Jimmy B / Post

#**5 **on this thread

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The Rosary is the prayer of the Gospels

The Prayer of the Rosary is a very powerful prayer, because it is the prayer of the Gospels. We are reminded to “Pray without ceasing”, 1Thessalonians 5:17 and that Jesus himself, “prayed a third time, saying the same thing again”, Matthew 26:44.

The Rosary predates any Protestant religion, with the first clear historical reference to the Rosary, dating back to 1221 and there is evidence that an ancient form of the Rosary existed in the 2nd century of Christianity, prior to the formation of the Bible.

For many centuries, the Rosary has been useful to Christians, to teach and know the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Early Christians had very limited access to the Bible until after the advent of the printing press in 1452, but they had the Rosary.

All Christians could benefit from the Rosary. Catholics, who recite the Rosary regularly, are familiar with the Gospels.

• ****The purpose of the Rosary is to reflect on the Gospels and on Jesus Christ. ****
• The Rosary is a devotional prayer that allows us to contemplate on the life of Christ Jesus.
• ****We grow closer to Jesus Christ in the Rosary, because the Rosary leads us to Jesus. ****
• The Rosary is 100% Biblical and 100% Christian.

Why won’t non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

 

[Jimmy_B]

Posted by Jimmy B / Post #**6 **on this thread -

The 4 Mysteries of the Rosary - are the Gospels

THE LUMINOUS MYSTERIES (Mysteries of Light)
1st Luminous Mystery - The Baptism of Jesus - Matthew 3:17
2nd Luminous Mystery - The Wedding at Cana- John 2:1-11 John 2:12
3rd Luminous Mystery - The Proclamation (of the Kingdom) - Mark 1:5Mark 1:14-15
4th Luminous Mystery - The Transfiguration - Matthew 17:2-8
5th Luminous Mystery - The Institution of the Eucharist - Matthew 14:22 / Luke 22:17-20 / Matthew 26:26 / 1 Corinthians 2:14, 3:3, 5:7, 10:16, 11:23-29 / John 1:29, 6:35-71, 6:63

 

[Jimmy_B]

Posted by Jimmy B / Post # **7 **on this thread -

**The 4 Mysteries of the Rosary - are the Gospels

THE **GLORIOUS MYSTERIES
1st Glorious Mystery - The Resurrection - John 20:01 / Luke 24:1-6
2nd Glorious Mystery - The Ascension - Luke 24:36 / Luke 24:50-53
3rd Glorious Mystery - The Decent of the Holy Spirit - (Pentecost) Acts 2:1-4
4th Glorious Mystery - The Assumption - Songs of Songs 2:8-24 / 2 kings 2:11 / Matthew 27:52 / 1 Thessalonians 4:17 / Revelation 11:19, 12:1
5th Glorious Mystery - The Coronation - Revelation 12:1-6

 

[Jimmy_B]

Posted by Jimmy B / Post # **8 **on this thread -

**The 4 Mysteries of the Rosary - are the Gospels

THE **JOYFUL MYSTERIES
1st Joyful Mystery - The Annunciation - Luke 1:26-38
2nd Joyful Mystery - The Visitation - Luke 1:39-47
3rd Joyful Mystery - The Nativity - Luke 2:1-7
4th Joyful Mystery - The Presentation - Luke 2:22-32
5th Joyful Mystery - The finding of Jesus - Luke 2:41-52

 

[Jimmy_B]

Posted by Jimmy B / Post # **9 **on this thread -

**The 4 Mysteries of the Rosary - are the Gospels

THE SORROWFUL MYSTERIES**
1st Sorrowful Mystery - The Agony in the Garden - Matthew 26:36 / Mark 14:32-36
2nd Sorrowful Mystery - The Scourging at the Pillar - Matthew 27:26 / John 18:28-38, 19:1
3rd Sorrowful Mystery - The Crowning of Thornes - Matthew 27:27 / Mark 15:16-20
4th Sorrowful Mystery - The Carrying of the Cross - Matthew 27:32 / John 19:12-16
5th Sorrowful Mystery - The Crucifixion - Matthew 27:33 / Luke 23:33-34, 39-46