Why won't non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

[1beleevr]

Yo, Jimmy B: Read over my post again; and couldn’t see where I referred to myself as a catholic(not capitalized in the dictionary). Non-denominational means, I don’t belong to or espouse any denomination, or religion. I have, however noticed that many a catholic, does defend catholicism vigorously! Does this make them less Christian? Of course not! It comes down to ; you’re catholic, I’m not, you recite the rosary, I don’t. You believe Mary was a perpetual virgin, I tend to believe she had other children. You call the pope your holy father, I call God my Holy Father! And I believe that catholic means,“universal, or general”, doesn’t it! So don’t take it personally when someone doesn’t agree with the catholic way!

 

[Ronald_E]

dchsknight: I think it’s pretty clear, that non-catholics do not believe in reciting the rosary for a myriad of reasons, the least of which is probably not needing to In John 16:23-24, He tells us that we can address Our Father(not the pope) directly, but to ask in Jesus’s name.And did you say that the rosary beads had a cross, with a dude on it? I sure hope that “dude” isn’t Jesus, because He was resurrected and ascended, no longer to be subjected to the Cross! And are you sure that no one tells you when you become catholic, that you have to recite the rosary? 42 years walking with Christ, and not one rosary recited; no need!

Why are you being mean? If you do not understand something just say so rather than being mean about it.

 

[prodigalson12]

I came up with a cool way to use the Rosary that I’m sure Protestants and Catholics alike would enjoy. Each bead represents a person you are praying for, when you run out of beads, you can continue along the loop to include everybody. I go over each one, remembering the person and if they need help in a particular situation, will be mindful of it while I think of them, when I reach the end I’ll make one big prayer for all of them at once.

 

[Ronald_E]

I came up with a cool way to use the Rosary that I’m sure Protestants and Catholics alike would enjoy. Each bead represents a person you are praying for, when you run out of beads, you can continue along the loop to include everybody. I go over each one, remembering the person and if they need help in a particular situation, will be mindful of it while I think of them, when I reach the end I’ll make one big prayer for all of them at once.

Beautiful.

 

[Good_Fella]

dchsknight: I think it’s pretty clear, that non-catholics do not believe in reciting the rosary for a myriad of reasons, the least of which is probably not needing to… And are you sure that no one tells you when you become catholic, that you have to recite the rosary? 42 years walking with Christ, and not one rosary recited; no need!

Are you certain that you’ll still be walking with Christ after 42 years and that you’ll persevere to the end? We are in need of divine grace to help us achieve our final goal as Christians. Meanwhile Jesus wills that human mediation should have a vital part to play in the distribution and channeling of his grace. So many Christians like ourselves turn to our spiritual Mother, who gave us the Source of all Grace, and ask her to pray for us so that we may be in a better position to receive the graces we need for our salvation. Our Lady’s intercessory prayers are immeasurably far more powerful and influential than any of ours.

We cannot even be sure whether our own individual prayers directed straight to the Father are pleasing to him. Cain believed he was righteous enough to obtain God’s favor when he offered up his sacrifices. But God rejected them for some reason. I believe Cain tried to approach God on his own terms. If only Abel had prayed for his brother. Perhaps then Cain would have received the grace he would need to help him overcome his jealousy towards Abel.

We often overlook what our spiritual wants are when we pray, so it’s assuring to know we have a mother in heaven who is praying for us that divine grace meets our urgent spiritual needs. And by reciting the Rosary and contemplating on the divine mysteries, we are reminded of what special graces we should ask for to help make us justified before God.

PAX :harp:

 

[bubs121]

Why won’t non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

Because Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are “Hail Marys”, but only 6 beads are “Our Father”. The Rosary most often ends with a “Hail, Holy Queen” prayer to Mary, not God.

 

[Good_Fella]

Because Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are “Hail Marys”, but only 6 beads are “Our Father”. The Rosary most often ends with a “Hail, Holy Queen” prayer to Mary, not God.

Give praise for his mighty deeds, praise him for his great majesty.
Psalm 150, 2

And Mary said, “My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord;
my spirit rejoices in God my savior.
For he has looked upon his handmaid’s lowliness;
Behold, from now all generations will call me blessed.
The Mighty One has done great things for me,
and holy is his name.”
Luke 1, 46-49

It was the angel Gabriel who praised Mary: “Hail, full of grace” (Luke 1:28). And it was Elizabeth, inspired by the Holy Spirit, who praised Mary: “Most blessed are you among women” (Luke 1: 42). We delight in echoing their praises and joining in with them repeatedly as we focus on what God has done for Mary in his might and generosity. By praising Mary, we praise God for his mighty works accomplished in her who is fashioned by God. The more we praise God by acknowledging and appreciating his creative work the more we love him for his infinite goodness to us as manifested in Mary.

“I will extol you, my God, my King, And I will bless your name forever and ever.”
Psalm 145, 1

Perhaps, figuratively speaking, we recite only one Our Father and ten Hail Marys in each decade because God is ten times more powerful than she is. If the Rosary were structured with one Hail Mary preceding ten Our Fathers, you’d probably criticize us for praying to Mary first and placing our faith ultimately in her instead of God. You might even charge us with unfaithfulness in like manner of Moses who struck the rock twice with his staff instead of once. But the truth is Catholics believe that our Blessed Mother derives all her power and influence through the Father’s single initiative. It is because of our faith in God’s mercy and compassion that we are confident he will hear and accept Our Lady’s prayers on our behalf. And the more often we ask her to pray for us, the better chance we have of obtaining the graces we need to be saved.

“Because this widow keeps bothering me I shall deliver a just decision for her lest she finally come and strike me.”
Luke 18, 5

PAX :harp:

 

[Good_Fella]

I came up with a cool way to use the Rosary that I’m sure Protestants and Catholics alike would enjoy. Each bead represents a person you are praying for, when you run out of beads, you can continue along the loop to include everybody. I go over each one, remembering the person and if they need help in a particular situation, will be mindful of it while I think of them, when I reach the end I’ll make one big prayer for all of them at once.

But he still persisted: “Please, let my Lord not grow angry if I speak up this last time. What if there are at least ten there?” “For the sake of those ten I will not destroy it.”
Genesis 18, 32

 

[Ronald_E]

But he still persisted: “Please, let my Lord not grow angry if I speak up this last time. What if there are at least ten there?” “For the sake of those ten I will not destroy it.”
Genesis 18, 32

Good Fella, You are the scholar so I submit this to you. Isn’t there a verse that states that Mary’s heart would be pierced by a sword and that the hidden thoughts of many would be revealed?
Women keep the cells of their children in their bodies throughout their lives. I wonder if that would change any thinking about Mary?

 

[Yankee_Trad]

Because Rosary Beads graphically represent how Roman Catholics heap 10 times more praise upon Mary than God himself. Of the 59 total beads of the Rosary, 53 beads are “Hail Marys”, but only 6 beads are “Our Father”. The Rosary most often ends with a “Hail, Holy Queen” prayer to Mary, not God.

Mary is praised in the Bible.

Luke 1:28
And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Luke 1:42
And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.

Why would there be anything wrong in repeating the words of Scripture?

And then there is a petition to Our Lady:

Holy Mary, Mother of God, pray for us sinners now, and at the hour of our death.

What’s wrong with intercessary prayer? Don’t Protestants pray for each other?

 

[1beleevr]

Yo, good fella: What precisely is mean about my post?

 

[prodigalson12]

But he still persisted: “Please, let my Lord not grow angry if I speak up this last time. What if there are at least ten there?” “For the sake of those ten I will not destroy it.”
Genesis 18, 32

I have ears to listen to your message. Thank you, that’s excellent insight, his word is eternally unfolding.

 

[1beleevr]

Good Fella: Grace has brought me safe thus far, and grace will lead me home; with acknowledgement to John Newton.While I wholeheartedly believe in, and practice intercessory prayer, I believe that saying Mary’s prayers are more powerful and influential than ours, is speculative at best I mean, we honestly do not know for sure that she is in HeavenIsn’t one of the catholic positions, that “absent the body, and with the Lord”, is not totally valid? Didn’t Jesus pretty much say that we could pray directly to the Father(Matthew 6:9-13)? As for Cain and Abel, the Bible is not real clear about why God accepted Abel’s sacrifice, while rejecting Cain’s One possibility, was the spirit(heart) in which each gift was offered! Abel was kind, humble and obedient to God, while Cain was disobedient. God told Cain,“If you would do what is right, you will be accepted.” Sounds like maybe pride, mixed in with a shot of jealousy, and stubborness, led to Cain’s rejectionProverbs 21:27, says" The sacrifice of an evil person, is detestable, especially when it is offered with the wrong motives." And I agree, that we need grace, on a daily basis, even when things are going well; because Satan is ready to pounce, at the first sign of trouble(1 Peter 5:8)

 

[Good_Fella]

Good Fella: Grace has brought me safe thus far, and grace will lead me home…

Let’s hope so, because “Satan is ready to pounce.”

While I wholeheartedly believe in, and practice intercessory prayer, I believe that saying Mary’s prayers are more powerful and influential than ours, is speculative at best I mean, we honestly do not know for sure that she is in Heaven…

It’s biblical, not speculative. James assures us that “the fervent prayer of a righteous person is very powerful” (Jas 5:16). And in the book of Proverbs we read “the prayer of the upright is his delight” (15:8). Meanwhile, as you pointed out: “The sacrifice of a wicked person is an abomination” (Prov 21:27). Righteousness has been perfected in Mary, but not yet in us, in spite of our sincere prayers. So her prayers are more powerful than ours.

The Assumption of Mary is a Church dogma which essentially amounts to a revealed divine truth. By virtue of her Divine Maternity and sinlessness, Mary was exempted from the universal law of the corruption of death. And because Mary was preserved free from the stain of original sin and was not affected by a sinful nature as we are, her prayers hold more merit than ours do. The first Christians believed Mary was sinless, as is evident in Luke’s typology of Mary as the pure and undefiled ark of the Covenant. The apostle John had a vision of the woman in heaven immediately after his vision of the ark of the Covenant (Rev 11:19; 12:1). Heaven itself has drawn the analogy between Mary and the ark of the Covenant.

Didn’t Jesus pretty much say that we could pray directly to the Father(Matthew 6:9-13)?

Since you “wholeheartedly believe in and practice intercessory prayer”, why raise this question? Whether we pray directly or indirectly to the Father, he is the one who nonetheless answers us. But we have more confidence in the effects of our prayers when we join them with those in whom righteousness has been perfected.

As for Cain and Abel, the Bible is not real clear about why God accepted Abel’s sacrifice, while rejecting Cain’s One possibility, was the spirit(heart) in which each gift was offered! Abel was kind, humble and obedient to God, while Cain was disobedient. God told Cain,“If you would do what is right, you will be accepted.” Sounds like maybe pride, mixed in with a shot of jealousy, and stubborness, led to Cain’s rejectionProverbs 21:27, says" The sacrifice of an evil person, is detestable, especially when it is offered with the wrong motives."

Even though Cain may have offered up his sacrifices with the wrong intentions or in a bad spirit, he couldn’t have been aware of it. It seems that he honestly believed in the sincerity of his offerings, which explains why he was jealous of Abel whose sacrifices proved pleasing to God. Cain wrongly felt that God was treating him unfairly. He may have been blind to his own wickedness and so failed to see how God could have rejected his burnt offerings. Cain may have been a merciless and ruthless man who saw nothing wrong with himself and no need to repent from the heart. Perhaps he represents a man who must first reconcile himself with his neighbor before bringing his gift to the altar. Anyway, in our state of imperfection we cannot be absolutely sure that our sacrifices and prayers are wholly pleasing to God. I believe we can in fact be momentarily blind to certain aberrations in our Christian life which can affect the efficacy of our prayers and offerings. So it’s prudent to join our prayers with Mary and the saints who will obtain for us the graces we need to help us get back and stay on the right path in our walk with Christ that our own prayers and offerings merit greater benefit.

And I agree, that we need grace, on a daily basis, even when things are going well; because Satan is ready to pounce, at the first sign of trouble
(1 Peter 5:8)

“Let us entrust ourselves with all our soul’s affection to the intercession of the Blessed Virgin Mary; let us all, with all our strength, beg her patronage, that, at the moment when on earth we surround her with suppliant homage, she herself may deign in heaven to commend us with fervent prayer. For without any doubt she who merited to bring ransom for those who needed deliverance, can more than all the saints benefit by her favor those who have received deliverance.”
Ambrose Autpert (ante. A.D. 778)

PAX :harp:

 

[Good_Fella]

Good Fella, You are the scholar so I submit this to you. Isn’t there a verse that states that Mary’s heart would be pierced by a sword and that the hidden thoughts of many would be revealed?
Women keep the cells of their children in their bodies throughout their lives. I wonder if that would change any thinking about Mary?

Ronald, thanks for the compliment, but I’m afraid I’m no scholar.

A biological fact. And the cells Mary kept were charged with divine grace! The Holy Spirit, not Joseph, was the active separate principle behind the generation of the Son of Man, in the words of Aquinas. Meanwhile, our Lord did genetically receive in his human nature the traits of his blessed Mother.

You are referring to Luke 2:35 where we find Mary presenting the infant Jesus in the temple, consecrating her firstborn to God in accord with Judaic tradition which commemorates Abraham’s offering of his son Isaac. Simeon provides a lesson for all of Christ’s followers who participate with our Lord in his work of salvation: expect to suffer together with Him. The apostle Paul could never have served to win souls for Christ in his ministry if he were unwilling to endure the trials and hardships that he did for the sake of the kingdom. But since he was happy to share in our Lord’s suffering, he was able to serve our Lord in establishing his Church (Col 1:24). I would hate to imagine what would have resulted if all the apostles eventually lost heart in the face of persecution and imminent martyrdom. Jesus does not wish to complete what he alone has accomplished without our participation, and knowing how weak we are, he gives us his strengthening grace which we will collaborate with if our love is sincere enough. Jesus told Paul My grace is enough for you.

When Simeon told Mary And you yourself a sword shall pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed, he was confirming the spiritual suffering she would have to undergo on account of her unique participation in our Lord’s work of salvation. Mary would have to suffer now that she consented to conceive and bear the Messiah. Our Lord would not suffer for our sins without her suffering (and ours) together with him. Simeon’s prophecy was fulfilled on Golgotha where our Blessed Mother had to suffer the agony of watching her only beloved Son die a cruel death on the cross. The Matriarch, of the Old Covenant, Sarah, was spared the pain Mary was destined to experience in her intimate association with the Redeemer. But by the grace of God, she remained strong and tranquil through the ordeal which she suffered for the sake of mankind’s New Covenant with God in a true spirit of faith working through love like Abraham and Paul and any of Christ’s true disciples.

The Blessed Virgin Mary said to St. Bridget of Sweden:

“On that day my pain was increased. For though by divine inspiration I knew that my Son was going to suffer, yet this grief pierced my heart so keenly at Simeon’s words. And until I was assumed body and soul to Heaven, this grief never left my heart, although it was tempered by the Spirit of God. Let not, then, this grief leave your heart, for without tribulation few would reach Heaven.”

And to Venerable Mother Mary of Agreda:

"How persistently the human heart forgets that its Teacher and Master has first accepted sufferings, and has honored and sanctifed them in His own Person. Remember the sorrow that pierced my heart at the prophecies of Simeon, and how I remained in peace and tranquility, even though my herat and soul were transfixed by a sword of pain. Seek ever to preserve inward peace. Full of trust in me, whenever tribulation comes over you, fervently exclaim: ‘The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom should I fear?’ "

Pax Christi :harp:

 

[Ronald_E]

Ronald, thanks for the compliment, but I’m afraid I’m no scholar.

A biological fact. And the cells Mary kept were charged with divine grace! The Holy Spirit, not Joseph, was the active separate principle behind the generation of the Son of Man, in the words of Aquinas. Meanwhile, our Lord did genetically receive in his human nature the traits of his blessed Mother.

You are referring to Luke 2:35 where we find Mary presenting the infant Jesus in the temple, consecrating her firstborn to God in accord with Judaic tradition which commemorates Abraham’s offering of his son Isaac. Simeon provides a lesson for all of Christ’s followers who participate with our Lord in his work of salvation: expect to suffer together with Him. The apostle Paul could never have served to win souls for Christ in his ministry if he were unwilling to endure the trials and hardships that he did for the sake of the kingdom. But since he was happy to share in our Lord’s suffering, he was able to serve our Lord in establishing his Church (Col 1:24). I would hate to imagine what would have resulted if all the apostles eventually lost heart in the face of persecution and imminent martyrdom. Jesus does not wish to complete what he alone has accomplished without our participation, and knowing how weak we are, he gives us his strengthening grace which we will collaborate with if our love is sincere enough. Jesus told Paul My grace is enough for you.

When Simeon told Mary And you yourself a sword shall pierce so that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed, he was confirming the spiritual suffering she would have to undergo on account of her unique participation in our Lord’s work of salvation. Mary would have to suffer now that she consented to conceive and bear the Messiah. Our Lord would not suffer for our sins without her suffering (and ours) together with him. Simeon’s prophecy was fulfilled on Golgotha where our Blessed Mother had to suffer the agony of watching her only beloved Son die a cruel death on the cross. The Matriarch, of the Old Covenant, Sarah, was spared the pain Mary was destined to experience in her intimate association with the Redeemer. But by the grace of God, she remained strong and tranquil through the ordeal which she suffered for the sake of mankind’s New Covenant with God in a true spirit of faith working through love like Abraham and Paul and any of Christ’s true disciples.

The Blessed Virgin Mary said to St. Bridget of Sweden:

“On that day my pain was increased. For though by divine inspiration I knew that my Son was going to suffer, yet this grief pierced my heart so keenly at Simeon’s words. And until I was assumed body and soul to Heaven, this grief never left my heart, although it was tempered by the Spirit of God. Let not, then, this grief leave your heart, for without tribulation few would reach Heaven.”

And to Venerable Mother Mary of Agreda:

"How persistently the human heart forgets that its Teacher and Master has first accepted sufferings, and has honored and sanctifed them in His own Person. Remember the sorrow that pierced my heart at the prophecies of Simeon, and how I remained in peace and tranquility, even though my herat and soul were transfixed by a sword of pain. Seek ever to preserve inward peace. Full of trust in me, whenever tribulation comes over you, fervently exclaim: ‘The Lord is my light and my salvation; whom should I fear?’ "

Pax Christi :harp:

You are a scholar of deep faith and I am blessed everytime I read your posts. You better take that in.
I wish I could copy that last quote to the Notre Dame site and to the rest of the blogs. I do not know how to do it. I will figure out something.
Thank you so much Good Fella

 

[josephdavid]

Why won’t non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

I find it very strange that most would insinuate that it is wrong to pray the Rosary.

First it is Scriptural in the context of the prayers said with in the Rosardy and two Martin Luther himself prayed the Rosary long after the Reformation.

 

[Protestantem]

because i do not think that you can pray to mary or the saint’s infact i think all christians are saints

 

[1beleevr]

Good morning, goodfella: As we enter the days of rememberance of Our Lord’s final days on this earth, let us never forget His divine sacrifice! I am still scratching my head after reading post#824, especially after reading the verses you cited(presumably to justify praying through Mary&saints). Proverbs 15:8, and James(Jesus’s hal-brother) 5:16, could depict any number of “upright” men, or women I read them a number of times, and cold not infer that these indicated Mary. In Revelation, 11:19, is just talking about the Ark Of The Covenant; onceagain. And who is this “woman” depicted in Rev 12:1? I’m pretty sure that the “crown of tweve stars” represents the 12 tribes of Israel, but I cannot with certainty, say that the woman represents Mary.And to be clear, I believe in BOTH intercessory prayer(praying with and for others) and one-on-one, prayer(to God, through Jesus)Question: If Mary was as pristine, as you are describing, would her entire bloodline(including her other children), have to be sinless, and without a sin nature? Aren’t all people, born of a woman(except Jesus) born into a sinful world(Romans 5:12) and with a sin nature? But, I know that with God, all things are possible; and that He is totally capable of preparing any “vessel” to carry out His blessed work. Did the apostles pray through Mary?Most of them spent a lot of time with her.If she was sinless, would she say,“How my soul rejoices in God, my Saviour!”? Anyway, what it comes down to is, choices. We make them daily, sometimes hourly; what to wear, what to eat, who to marry, where to work; whether to pray to God directly or to Mary and the saints! Whether the pope is a holy father, or whether God is Our Holy Father Why don’t non catholic Christians recite the rosary? I think it’s a matter of choice, once again, catholics feel the need or obligation to; which is fine, and I for on am not condemning them, and would ask for the same respect in return for not reciting it! Things that sustain me and keep me grounded and focused: 1) my personal relationship with Jesus,2) the peace of Christ, 3)knowing that, in spite of myself, God loves and accepts me just as I am,4)a loving,obedient, God-loving, and God fearing wife,5) serving for and witnessing about my Saviour:thumbsup:

 

[1beleevr]

Julian 1066: Greetings in the name of Our Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ! I suppose I’m the one you are feeling sorry for; but as I told ddchsknight, there really is no need, I am covered by the blood of Jesus! And I do exalt the Name of and respect our Saviour! If you read post#729, you will see that your brother dchsknight described the rosary, as a string with some beads on it, and a “dude” on a cross! I was simply responding to something I found to be offensive! My Saviour is no longer on the Cross, and I do not need to see Him on it! When I look at an empty Cross, I am reminded of His sacrifice, especially during this Easter season! I think it is commendable that you are dedicated, and read the rosary every day, but please take that plank out of your eye, and show some respect for those of us who choose not to! Peace be unto you!