Why won't non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?

[Ronald_E]

Good morning, goodfella: As we enter the days of rememberance of Our Lord’s final days on this earth, let us never forget His divine sacrifice! I am still scratching my head after reading post#824, especially after reading the verses you cited(presumably to justify praying through Mary&saints). Proverbs 15:8, and James(Jesus’s hal-brother) 5:16, could depict any number of “upright” men, or women I read them a number of times, and cold not infer that these indicated Mary. In Revelation, 11:19, is just talking about the Ark Of The Covenant; onceagain. And who is this “woman” depicted in Rev 12:1? I’m pretty sure that the “crown of tweve stars” represents the 12 tribes of Israel, but I cannot with certainty, say that the woman represents Mary.And to be clear, I believe in BOTH intercessory prayer(praying with and for others) and one-on-one, prayer(to God, through Jesus)Question: If Mary was as pristine, as you are describing, would her entire bloodline(including her other children), have to be sinless, and without a sin nature? Aren’t all people, born of a woman(except Jesus) born into a sinful world(Romans 5:12) and with a sin nature? But, I know that with God, all things are possible; and that He is totally capable of preparing any “vessel” to carry out His blessed work. Did the apostles pray through Mary?Most of them spent a lot of time with her.If she was sinless, would she say,“How my soul rejoices in God, my Saviour!”? Anyway, what it comes down to is, choices. We make them daily, sometimes hourly; what to wear, what to eat, who to marry, where to work; whether to pray to God directly or to Mary and the saints! Whether the pope is a holy father, or whether God is Our Holy Father Why don’t non catholic Christians recite the rosary? I think it’s a matter of choice, once again, catholics feel the need or obligation to; which is fine, and I for on am not condemning them, and would ask for the same respect in return for not reciting it! Things that sustain me and keep me grounded and focused: 1) my personal relationship with Jesus,2) the peace of Christ, 3)knowing that, in spite of myself, God loves and accepts me just as I am,4)a loving,obedient, God-loving, and God fearing wife,5) serving for and witnessing about my Saviour:thumbsup:

I agree, you do not need to pray the Rosary. I do not even desire that you pray the Rosary. I do not want anyone praying the Rosary unless they understand the relationship of Jesus and His Mother. If anyone approached the Arc of the Covenant and was in a state of sin they would die.
Since Mary would have God in her womb she would die also if she were in a state of sin. Also, mothers keep the cells of their children in their bodies throughout their lives and some develop what is known immune problems because of this.
Mary is no different except that Jesus was conceived through the union of Mary and the Holy Spirit and her body gave Jesus His Body. So His human body has only her DNA. She has God in her body her entire life. Amazing. They are united throughout eternity in a way no other human being could be united.

 

[Good_Fella]

Good morning, goodfella: As we enter the days of rememberance of Our Lord’s final days on this earth, let us never forget His divine sacrifice!

I sincerely wish you a blesssed Good Friday.

Have no fear. Reciting the Rosary, while contemplating on the Sorrowful Mysteries, helps us not to forget.

I am still scratching my head after reading post#824, especially after reading the verses you cited(presumably to justify praying through Mary&saints). Proverbs 15:8, and James(Jesus’s hal-brother) 5:16, could depict any number of “upright” men, or women I read them a number of times, and could not infer that these indicated Mary.

Are you suggesting that Mary was unrighteous? Mary and the saints in Heaven are unlike the holy ones who are still on earth progressing towards divine perfection in their pilgrimage of faith (Mt 5:48). We members of the Church Militant have not yet been made perfect in righteousness. In the mystical body of Christ, Mary and the saints belong to the Church Triumphant and so are made perfect in holiness. As a result, their prayers to God are immeasurably more efficacious than ours.

Beloved, we are God’s children now; what we shall be has not yet been revealed. We do know that when it is revealed, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. Everyone who has this hope makes himself pure, as he is pure.
1 John 3, 2-3

In Revelation, 11:19, is just talking about the Ark Of The Covenant; onceagain. And who is this “woman” depicted in Rev 12:1? I’m pretty sure that the “crown of tweve stars” represents the 12 tribes of Israel, but I cannot with certainty, say that the woman represents Mary.

The symbolism in Revelation is polyvalent, so the woman in chapter 12 could be envisioned as the Ark of the New Covenant, a type of Ark of the Old Covenant. John did not provide chapter breaks for us when he wrote the Apocalypse. These two visions are closely associated with each other.

By way of allusion, Luke presents Mary as a type of Ark of the Old Covenant. He in fact introduces her to the Christian community as the Ark of the New Covenant by drawing on Old Testament texts which the Jewish Christians at the time would have understood.

*Exodus 24:15-16; 40:34 / Luke 1:35

(The word “overshadow” used to describe Mary’s conception of Jesus is the same Greek word [episkiasei] used to describe God’s glory cloud [Shekinah] overshadowing the Ark of the Old Covenant.)

2 Samuel 6:9 / Luke 1:43
2 Samuel 6: 14-15 / Luke 1:44
2 Samuel 6:11 / Luke 1:56
2 Samuel 6:11 / Luke 1:57 (Fertility is associated with Gods blessing.)*

And to be clear, I believe in BOTH intercessory prayer(praying with and for others) and one-on-one, prayer(to God, through Jesus)

Don’t you ask fellow Christians or your pastor (if you have one) to pray for you?

If Mary was as pristine, as you are describing, would her entire bloodline(including her other children), have to be sinless, and without a sin nature?

Aren’t all people, born of a woman(except Jesus) born into a sinful world(Romans 5:12) and with a sin nature?

But, I know that with God, all things are possible; and that He is totally capable of preparing any “vessel” to carry out His blessed work.

First of all, Mary did not have other children. Isaac, who prefigures Christ, was the only child of Sarah, the free Woman of Promise and Matriarch of the Old Covenant, who prefigures Mary, the free Woman of Promise and Matriarch of the New Covenant. The early Church Father Irenaeus refers to Mary as “the Virgin” (cf. Isaiah 7:14) when he describes her as an antithetical type of Eve. As a disciple of Polycarp, who was a disciple of John, he would have been aware of Mary’s perpetual virginity through the medium of Oral Tradition.

Second, Paul means that all human beings are subject to or implicated in original sin. He does not mean that every human being without exception necessarily has to contract this stain of sin on their souls. The sin of Adam is not a personal sin of our own of which we are culpable. God preserved Mary free from the stain of original sin at the first instant she was conceived (the Immaculate Conception) by virtue of her Divine Maternity and not by any merit of her own. Our heavenly Father created Mary pure and undefiled as the tabernacle fashioned to contain his Holy Only-begotten Son. For this reason Christians from earliest time have venerated Mary as a sacred vessel just as the ancient Jews had venerated the Ark of the Covenant.

Did the apostles pray through Mary?Most of them spent a lot of time with her.If she was sinless, would she say,“How my soul rejoices in God, my Saviour!”?

We read in Acts that the apostles are praying together with Mary in the cenacle before the Holy Spirit descends upon them. It was through Mary that they received the Holy Spirit, for by Mary Jesus came into the world and after having ascended sent the Paraclete. I’m sure the apostles invoked our Blessed Mother to pray to her Son on behalf of them and the Church even before they discovered her tomb empty according to oral tradition.

Mary was redeemed, by the merits of her Son’s Precious Blood, at the first instant she was immaculately conceived and God fashioned her soul preserved free from the stain of original sin. The merits of our Lord’s death on the cross extends to everyone, even those who were created before his incarnation. It was by the redemptive merits of Christ that Elijah was taken up to heaven in a chariot. But unlike Mary, who was assumed into heaven, he still awaits his glorious resurrection from the dead.

For just as in Adam all die; so too in Christ shall all be brought to life, but each one in proper order: Christ the firstfruits; then, at his coming, those who belong to Christ.
1 Corinthians 15, 22-23

Pax Christi :harp:

 

[humble_in_doubt]

If I had that view of God and faith I would never had returned after being away 40 years.
Are you saying that you take everything in the bible literally?

no I don’t take anything in the bible literally. I take it as another religion invented by guys, perhaps even well intentioned (but delusional). I don’t necessarily even dispute the historicity of Jesus per se (there’s enough secular accounts out there to make a credible case that some guy named Jesus had a ministry).

I just doubt any god exists, or at least a god as described by any religion I can think of. Let’s assume a guy had a ministry like Jesus’ today, what would happen to him? One word … Waco Texas (oops … I guess that’s two words). That’s of course the reason we don’t see any of these miraculous events or godly appearances today. They never happened in the first place but the ancients were a primitive superstitious people (so they bought into it).

Now religion is so ingrained in our society that it will probably take another century to come to our senses. There’s so many big and powerful stake holders (certainly the Catholic Church has no plans to fold up its tent and fire all its priests and bishops) that religion (like government, business, etc.) has grown into an entrenched power.

It’s very simple. This whole thing started as ancient mythology, which eventually became institutionalized and entrenched. Let’s face it … this is the deal.

 

[josephdavid]

Our prayer should include the Mother of God . . . What the Hail Mary says is that all glory should be given to God, using these words: “Hail Mary, full of grace. The Lord is with thee; blessed art thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb, Jesus Christ. Amen!” You see that these words are not concerned with prayer but purely with giving praise and honor . . . We can use the Hail Mary as a meditation in which we recite what grace God has given her. Second, we should add a wish that everyone may know and respect her "

Martin Luther -Personal Prayer Book, 1522

 

[Ronald_E]

no I don’t take anything in the bible literally. I take it as another religion invented by guys, perhaps even well intentioned (but delusional). I don’t necessarily even dispute the historicity of Jesus per se (there’s enough secular accounts out there to make a credible case that some guy named Jesus had a ministry).

I just doubt any god exists, or at least a god as described by any religion I can think of. Let’s assume a guy had a ministry like Jesus’ today, what would happen to him? One word … Waco Texas (oops … I guess that’s two words).

From my understanding Christ is not a wacko in Waco. He was and is nonviolent. I suppose He would be called a pacifist who would not fit in with the right wing’s philosophy of materialism and resistance to social welfare programs.

That’s of course the reason we don’t see any of these miraculous events or godly appearances today. They never happened in the first place but the ancients were a primitive superstitious people (so they bought into it).

I’ve seen a miracle that I could not explain. I do not know if the ancients were primitive or superstitious. It seems to me that it required more intelligence to exist then than it does today.

Now religion is so ingrained in our society that it will probably take another century to come to our senses. There’s so many big and powerful stake holders (certainly the Catholic Church has no plans to fold up its tent and fire all its priests and bishops) that religion (like government, business, etc.) has grown into an entrenched power.

The problem to me is the desire to gain political power when that is not the foundation of faith. The foundation of faith is spiritual power that is not power at all in the political sense. The spiritual power is love that unites all into a single purpose that serves one another for the welfare of the other.
When a faith attempts to gain political power it then conforms to the ways of the world and consequently the spirituality is weakended or distorted or lost and the faith looks rigid and judgemental. It seems it is forgotten that we are not to be conformed to the ways of the world.
That is why I pray the Rosary. The Rosary is an act of love.

It’s very simple. This whole thing started as ancient mythology, which eventually became institutionalized and entrenched. Let’s face it … this is the deal.

 

[Ronald_E]

Oops! I forgot about that last line. What is mythology? What we think today is rationality I think would be considered mythology built on paranoia and a loss of any meaning in life.
I heard a line from a movie that seems appropriate “If you have nothing more than freedom it is called entertainment.”

 

[shivabramin]

the rosary …a borrowed item from hinduism , hindus called the beaded string MALA , THEN THE BUDDHIST ADOPT IT THEN THE MUSLIM AND THEN THE CATOLICS

 

[LDNCatholic]

the rosary …a borrowed item from hinduism , hindus called the beaded string MALA , THEN THE BUDDHIST ADOPT IT THEN THE MUSLIM AND THEN THE CATOLICS

No. That is incorrect.

It is likely the Muslims adopted their prayer beads (something that many mainstream Muslims write off as an innovation) when they came across Christian monasticism in the Middle East and North Africa, where strings of knotted rope, or komboskini, were used in prayer right to the very beginning of monasticism.

I do not believe that merely having similarities indicated that one religion took it from another. Please cite historical sources for this information. I am familiar with the theory but I do enjoy hearing new information.

 

[Ronald_E]

No. That is incorrect.

It is likely the Muslims adopted their prayer beads (something that many mainstream Muslims write off as an innovation) when they came across Christian monasticism in the Middle East and North Africa, where strings of knotted rope, or komboskini, were used in prayer right to the very beginning of monasticism.

I do not believe that merely having similarities indicated that one religion took it from another. Please cite historical sources for this information. I am familiar with the theory but I do enjoy hearing new information.

Peter, Thanks for the link. I have to brush up on my vocabulary.

 

[Thing]

the rosary …a borrowed item from hinduism , hindus called the beaded string MALA , THEN THE BUDDHIST ADOPT IT THEN THE MUSLIM AND THEN THE CATOLICS

Don’t forget the Inca’s

The Inca Empire (1438–1533) had its own spoken language, Quechua, which is still spoken by about a third of the Peruvian population. It is believed that the only “written” language of the Inca empire is a system of different knots tied in ropes attached to a longer cord. This system is called quipu or khipu.

or the Mesolithic people;

Humans had “fully syntactical language” as early as 75,000 years ago. This has been inferred from properties of a number of Middle Stone Age (MSA) shell beads excavated at Blombos Cave in South Africa.

So much for the hindus.

 

[Jimmy_B]

Why won’t non-Catholic Christians recite the Holy Rosary?