Why won't the nightmare dream of communism die?

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It is odd that young people, who seem to place individualism on a pedestal, are attracted to an ideology that sees individuals as mere tools of the state to be expended to further the ideology. In a Communist system the individual has no inherent rights.
 
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You mentioned Ukraine who suffered from communism, but I read the quotes from old encyclopedia, For the Ukrainian nationalists , even among intellectual circles the death of millions of Ukrainians from starvation is the secret atrocity of the Jewish Kahal.
Even there are preserved the old encyclopedia’s which clearly indicated who and why killed millions of Ukrainians by famine.
"The Holodomor and the Bolshevik terror were used according to the newest circumstances and the new “promised land” of the biblical books of Jeshua (“Joshua”), 1 and 2 of Samuel, 1 and 2 of the Kings, Psalms, the Prophet Isaiah … - and the prescribed actions there and the attitude towards autochthonous agricultural peoples - the eternal envy and hatred of nomads to settled peoples, agricultural civilization.
The quote from Encyclopedia:
"Realizing that Palestine is not in a position to inhabit more and more people, the real direction between the wars is to compete with the creation of larger clusters on the same territory. Such attempts include the actions of the Bolsheviks, supported by the same capital, to colonize the wings some districts of Ukrainian steppes, deserted after the 1921 famine ".
(Ukrainian General Encyclopedia (UZE)) Book of Knowledge in 3 volumes, under the guidance of Ivan Rakovsky, Volume I. A - Zh. - 1312 pp. - Kind of Cooperative “Native School”: Lviv - Stanislaviv - Kolomyja. Pp. 1288-1291.) Ukrainian version Голодомор і більшовицький терор був застосуванням до новітніх обставин і нової “обіцяної землі” біблійних книг Єшуї (“Ісуса Навина”), 1 і 2 Самуїла, 1 і 2 Царів, Псалмів, пророка Ісайї… - та прописаних там дій і ставлення до автохтонних землеробських народів - одвічна заздрість і ненависть кочівників до народів осілої, землеробської цивілізації.
The quote from Encyclopedia:
“Розуміючи, що Палестина не всилі помістити більшої кількости жидів, реальний напрямок між жидами змагає до витворення більших жидівських скупчень на одній території. До такої спроби належать і заходи більшовиків, підтримувані ам. жидівським капіталом, кольонізувати жидами деякі округи Степової України, опустілі після голоду 1921”.
(Українська Загальна Енцикльопедія (УЗЕ). Книга знання в 3-ох томах. Під гол. редакцією Івана Раковського. Том І. А – Ж. – 1312 с. – Вид. кооперативи «Рідна школа»: Львів – Станиславів – Коломия. – С. 1288-1291.)
 
Athanasiy said:
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Of course it’s a right. I have the right to seek my own healthcare from whatever source I choose (if they agree), whether it be a licensed MD, a witch doctor, a holistic practitioner, or my grandma. I don’t need anyone’s permission. What I don’t have is the right to make you pay for it.
 
The free market (with government printed and taxed currency) seems to have worked the best, but only during certain eras. Everyone uses their buying power and competition to have better things to eat and better places to put them. Sadly, we have corruption just about everywhere. If your grandparent retired raise your hand. If your parent can’t raise your hand. This is one factor. Gambling venues want to accept social security directly to cover up the amount of stolen social security funds used. Dog eat dog scenario. In Scandanavia, just about everyone retires. They also don’t strive to have 10 kids each. Communism is a step down from socialism on the scale, and so long as the socialists beat capitalists, we are going to find corrupted persons in the extreme poverty reaching out and welcoming communists.

I am TIRED OF EXCUSES.

FACT: If you work at a grocery store in Scandanavia for your entire life, by default, you retire generously. Until we see that in the United States, Communism wins. A country without 70yr old men dying in the snow of a heart attack while working is probably the most obvious “success.”

If a leader says, “you are dreaming!” They are incapable of leadership. It worked here before, proven by Americans to exist. If I give you the exact coordinates to Atlantis and you say we can’t get there, don’t blame anyone but your lousy existence as to why it hasn’t been discovered. The more we speak of the American past as Atlantis, the more deserved this country deserves enemies.

We care more about tricking people into a jail cell for a gag than restoring America.
 
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The worry for some of us is - I’ve been in a position where I needed healthcare BEFORE I was able to pay for it. What happens then?
 
I’m in that position now. I subsidize healthcare for the “poor” so that now they can have what I no longer can afford. That’s how we do it in this country. My wife is uninsured thanks to our wonderful ACA. So we just have to figure something else out. But I’ll just go without before I’ll force someone else to pay for it.
 
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Because alternatives continue to let people down.
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Perhaps you mean ‘they let themselves down?’

Capitalism promises opportunity and a generally better standard of living, it has delivered in these two areas much better than any competing systems.
 
No, I meant what I said.

And I agree that capitalism has delivered better than competing systems. But that doesn’t mean it doesn’t have problems.
 
So to those who po-po Communism, why do you equate it to Socialism? It’not. I believe in Capitalism as our primary social system, but Socialism is a buffer to those who Capitalism makes losers of. Currently the swing is very much towards big business, don’t kid yourself, the recent tax bill favors big business and the top income rungs. Don’t believe me? Just about every outside group that has looked at it has come to the same conclusion and the measures that affect middle class families the most will sunset vs. the permanent corporate items.

We have an issue with jobs in this country for the less educated. Production efficiency and/or outsourcing has been the main culprit of good job elimination; the understandable financial choice made by Capitalism. Even in my high tech field, with in demand skill sets, productivity, as measured by revenue per worker, has shot up immensely. As an aside, those corporate tax breaks might open a few job opportunities, but mass hirings vs mass layoff highly favor the latter.

I see that we have 3 or 4 choices with the chronically underemployed or unemployed groups in this country. First is the unacceptable choice to kill them off. Second is to find a way to employ them privately, but the efficiency drive within our corporations have made this difficult. Third is to provide financial support. The fourth might be to provide some permanent classes of Government job creation that assists the private sector. One option might be to provide universal child care that both can employ the jobless and free up more skilled people to work privately. Another might be universal health care that makes the job opportunities provided by smaller employers more attractive.

I know that these ideas will steam those who favor small Government, but name me any other peer country that takes a similar route. Find me one that doesn’t provide some sort of universal health care. Find me one that does not have the crumbling infrastructure such as ours (a federally funded program in our case). Find me one that does not have such a discrepancy in educational opportunities such as ours. I’m fortunate that my son goes to what amount to a world class public school, but that is determined by the zip code I can afford to live in. The honest fact is that we live in two worlds educationally one that competes at the top of our peers and one that falls into that of the developing world. Find me one where everyone can live an adequate retirement, I should have one, but that is because I have had good jobs and access to a 401K with matching contributions.

The reality is that the time of “pulling yourself by your bootstraps” is not what it used to be. Are you willing to live without the cheap junk that our modern society has brought about or are you willing to invest in some Socialism?
 
Yes, of course they aren’t. But here me out.

Those who fall through the cracks of the admittedly not perfect system are going to look to another system that might do better by them. That’s why you get strange kids being all about communism.

As for the nation-states that still consider themselves communist - they aren’t true communism.
 
Yes, if every human was perfect there would be no need for government.

Or put another way, government relies on the existence of people who won’t or can’t do the right thing.

The problem is that government has no interest in bringing about a perfect society because it would end government and too many people are receiving too many ‘government’ benefits for that to happen.

Government has an interest in causing problems and making people dependent and thus in need of governing.
 
The ACA was badly implemented.

But the worry for people like me was, well, I clearly needed healthcare before I’d be able to work. I simply wasn’t healthy enough to hold down a job, and I wouldn’t be able to hold down a job without continued medical care, but it was clear that even once I got a job I would be expected to work my way up to the kind of job that provided that sort of care.

@PJH_74 has it right. If we’re not going to kill off or allow those who aren’t able to take care of themselves to die off, we’re going to have to allot some other means of managing to get them needed resources. Underemployment is a major issue here as well, and one’s that’s especially not often well addressed.

I think our system does a very bad job of getting people to where they can be living off of their own wages. Most of our workers in the service industry are receiving government assistance, because wages in that sector don’t provide enough money to supply basic needs. Another statistic is that most of those on food stamps, who are considered able to work, are working. And our solution for advancement is to tell people to take on debt (and I haven’t seen a solution for people whose skills end up not being needed).
 
Karl Marx never worked a day in his life, sponged off his family and in-laws, didn’t pay his bills and lived the latter half of his life off the money of Engels business ventures.

He got his maid pregnant, didn’t recognise her child, paid her absolutely zero money for all the work she did and was constantly in debt even though he was taking money off others constantly.
 
Well yes, but frankly if we judged modern political ideas by the personal morality of their proponents, we wouldn’t have a political system left.

I don’t support communism, but I do support a system of promoting worker’s welfare, making acquiring in-demand skills easier, and limiting outsourcing to inappropriate conditions.
 
I think it is very fair to judge Marxism by the man himself, especially in consideration of the horror such a philosophy has created.

I am all for the welfare of all people, including workers but having one group called government using force to take wealth from one set of people is theft and sinful. The great evil of the last 100 years of the Left side of politics (including Hitler’s national socialist worker party) is to believe the state will solve all problems by demonising one group and giving itself the right to take their wealth under the cover of helping a supposed exploited underclass.
 
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