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stinkcat_14
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Where has it poisened the world in the last 25 years? I take North Korea as a given. Laos is also communist, but they are a small country and they don’t bother anyone.
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Cruciferi
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Socialism:
“a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
Communism:
“a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.”
Though people claim neither ideology can morph into the other, they were both heavily influenced by Karl Marx. I see more Socialism in the world today than Communism. Even here in the USA, we’re becoming more socialist! However, I believe the final destination of Socialism is Communism regardless of whether they admit it. We’re seeing a spectrum of Marxist philosophy around the globe.
“a political and economic theory of social organization that advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole.”
Communism:
“a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.”
Though people claim neither ideology can morph into the other, they were both heavily influenced by Karl Marx. I see more Socialism in the world today than Communism. Even here in the USA, we’re becoming more socialist! However, I believe the final destination of Socialism is Communism regardless of whether they admit it. We’re seeing a spectrum of Marxist philosophy around the globe.
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stinkcat_14
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Give me an example of how we are becoming more socialist.Even here in the USA, we’re becoming more socialist!
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stinkcat_14
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Those are not socialist policies because the government is not owning the means of production. There is a huge difference between government intervention in the economy (which one can debate the merits of) and socialism.
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abucs
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Yes fascism is the severe and authoritarian intervention by the state in the economy, politics and cultural life (including morality and ethics) of a nation. Fascism was a soft communism.
Both were left wing.
Communism murdered the land and business owners and churchmen and took their resources and power, fascism threatened to murder the same people if they did not put their resources and efforts at the pleasure of the state.
So many left wingers today are fascists without realizing it because they have been fallaciously taught that fascism mean right wing and authoritarian bigotry.
To all such people I urge you to go and read the Fascist Manifesto written in 1919 by Mussolini and Gentile, two Marxist activists.
Mussolini came to power 3 years later in 1922 with his Fascisto Party and Gentile was his education minister.
His Fascisto Party was sent congratulations by the revolutionary Russian government. In turn Mussolini’s Italy was the first western country to recognise the Soviet Union and Mussolini even called himself Italy’s Lenin.
There is a great evil on the left hand side of politics which it can never admit because of it’s own false self portrayal as creating an all powerful state for the benefit of the little guy.
Both were left wing.
Communism murdered the land and business owners and churchmen and took their resources and power, fascism threatened to murder the same people if they did not put their resources and efforts at the pleasure of the state.
So many left wingers today are fascists without realizing it because they have been fallaciously taught that fascism mean right wing and authoritarian bigotry.
To all such people I urge you to go and read the Fascist Manifesto written in 1919 by Mussolini and Gentile, two Marxist activists.
Mussolini came to power 3 years later in 1922 with his Fascisto Party and Gentile was his education minister.
His Fascisto Party was sent congratulations by the revolutionary Russian government. In turn Mussolini’s Italy was the first western country to recognise the Soviet Union and Mussolini even called himself Italy’s Lenin.
There is a great evil on the left hand side of politics which it can never admit because of it’s own false self portrayal as creating an all powerful state for the benefit of the little guy.
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Lemuel
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The middle class in Venezuela are rummaging trash cans for food to eat.People in the Ukraine were cannibalizing under the communist USSR. People in Venezuela are killing and eat zoo animals and pets because of socialism.
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Lemuel
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One of the goals of Socialism is to purge Christianity and the socialists are winning.
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DarkLight
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I think this here is really where the difference in sides ends up coming from. I’ve noticed most conservatives tend to think that, in modern America, someone who works hard and applies themselves can generally find a good job that will support them well. Most liberals tend to think there are a lot of people who work hard and do the best they reasonably can and still end up not being able to make ends meet.If you do this in America, it’s mostly your choice.
I’m honestly not really sure how you’d construct an unbiased study to tell the difference.
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Kenny_Kamel
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I found these two videos particularly helpful with this topic.
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Annie
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Venezuela…
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Annie
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What is the difference between the government owning the means of production and the government controlling the means of production? For an example of the latter in the US, I give you the ACA, aka Obamacare.
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stinkcat_14
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Any regulation is an attempt at controlling the means of production. Regulation is allowed under Church teaching, the extent and nature of regulation is left to our prudential judgement. Also, there is nothing in Church teaching that prohibits a single payer health insurance system like medicare. Whether such a system is prudent is a different question, but government involvement in healthcare does not necessarily violate Church teaching.What is the difference between the government owning the means of production and the government controlling the means of production? For an example of the latter in the US, I give you the ACA, aka Obamacare.
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Annie
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Government regulation is necessary, but like all good things, it can go too far. Certain provisions of the ACA went too far, ie, the abc requirements. IMO, some of the requirements for electronic reporting also go too far.
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JanSobieskiIII
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Because for some reason it’s still socially acceptable to be a communist or have communist sympathies. If it held the same stigma as being a Nazi or a Fascist (which it should) the idea wouldn’t be as prevalent. But the USSR filled western academia with true believers who continue to indoctrinate the next generation.
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BT3241
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Communism was created by atheist humans as a way to create heaven on earth - unfortunately we are selfish self centered beings making communism impossible on the earth to ever be a viable system - life is competitive and people have different drives - some more than others. Communism can never work - these atheist or the far left will continue to try to implement this system to make everyone even but it will always fail - this is not the way of the earth. It will remain as an idea although un-achievable as long as atheist are on the earth. I think deep down they have the desire for heaven and God but being non believers they don’t understand - so they try to create what they desire on the earth with utter failure due to the deep flaws of mankind. On the other side - it won’t work either because greed will always overwhelm the people at the top and destroy it. Only God can fix this mess we are in.
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Theo520
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Exactly, Communism ignores the reality of human nature,
While regulated capitalism harnesses that drive resulting in common good.
While regulated capitalism harnesses that drive resulting in common good.
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BT3241
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Don’t agree with your last statement - greed and power will always overwhelm and ruin that system also as it has it is far from perfect.
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Vonsalza
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I applaud your balanced view.Don’t agree with your last statement - greed and power will always overwhelm and ruin that system also as it has it is far from perfect.
There are no perfect systems. Only zealots who say there are.
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JanSobieskiIII
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The only way you get rich in a free market is
1: Provide a product people are willing to buy
2: Treat employees well enough that they choose to stay and produce for you rather than go somewhere else
If you don’t produce something people want at a price they can afford, no one buys it. You make no money.
If you don’t pay well enough or have good enough working conditions relative to other options, no one will work for you, you produce nothing, you make no money.
Communism, on the other hand, uses the threat of violence to force people to work in certain jobs, and only gives people the option to buy certain things. Without violence there is no communism.
1: Provide a product people are willing to buy
2: Treat employees well enough that they choose to stay and produce for you rather than go somewhere else
If you don’t produce something people want at a price they can afford, no one buys it. You make no money.
If you don’t pay well enough or have good enough working conditions relative to other options, no one will work for you, you produce nothing, you make no money.
Communism, on the other hand, uses the threat of violence to force people to work in certain jobs, and only gives people the option to buy certain things. Without violence there is no communism.
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