Why won't the nightmare dream of communism die?

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JanSobieskiIII said:
The only way you get rich in a free market is

1: Provide a product people are willing to buy
2: Treat employees well enough that they choose to stay and produce for you rather than go somewhere else

If you don’t produce something people want at a price they can afford, no one buys it. You make no money.

If you don’t pay well enough or have good enough working conditions relative to other options, no one will work for you, you produce nothing, you make no money.

Communism, on the other hand, uses the threat of violence to force people to work in certain jobs, and only gives people the option to buy certain things. Without violence there is no communism.
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I think your #2 is a little weak.

There’s been very low wage growth in the US since the turn of the millennium. It hasn’t kept up with inflation, at any rate.

Alas; globalism.

The negotiation between ownership and labor does not enjoy parity. At least, not in the US.
 
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One way to grow rich slowly is to live below your means, and save and invest.

If you live above your means, you’ll always be in debt.

If you live at your means, you’ll be living paycheck to paycheck.

If you live below your means and invest the excess, you’ll grow rich slowly.
 
Vonsalza said:
There’s been very low wage growth in the US since the turn of the millennium
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That’s not entirely accurate. Wages at the top end have grown a bunch, but wages at the bottom haven’t. Which can be at least partially attributed due to immigration suppressing wages.
 
JanSobieskiIII said:
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Vonsalza:
There’s been very low wage growth in the US since the turn of the millennium
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That’s not entirely accurate. Wages at the top end have grown a bunch, but wages at the bottom haven’t. Which can be at least partially attributed due to immigration suppressing wages.
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Ah, then we have an issue of semantics. I don’t identify top-end compensation as “wages”. You do.
 
Theo520 said:
Exactly, Communism ignores the reality of human nature,
While regulated capitalism harnesses that drive resulting in common good.
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I’m at a loss as to whether this creates objective “good”.

Peruvians started building their pyramids at about the same time as the Egyptians. True story.

But the Egyptians existed in the hyper-competitive Mediterranean basin. We know competition fosters innovation, and due to the competition between Mediterranean powers, the European West was dramatically more technologically advanced than the Americas when they met each other in the 15th century. The southern Native Americans still thought pyramid-building was pretty neat, even 4500 years later.

While the westerners were more technologically capable, they were also more hyper-consumptive of natural resources and more destructive to their environments on the whole. And that trend has only increased.

I’m just not so sure it’s objectively “better”, Theo. It seems that any survival model that requires perpetual growth (as opposed to near-static equilibrium) eventually fails or depletes the resources it lives on - as a logical necessity.
 
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Technology is what has dramatically improved our health and healthcare.
Didn’t the Pope just request providing such should be propagated across the world?
 
Theo520 said:
Technology is what has dramatically improved our health and healthcare.
Didn’t the Pope just request providing such should be propagated across the world?
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He did.

Very “socialist” of him, imo. 😉
 
Do you entrepreneur for selling glasses for seeing they live as true believers? Big is small, the alien immigration is from multiverse.
Apply macroconstraints and motivated x-ray glasses product sales will rise.
 
God uses man for changing the world, even communists and fascists. His way is not our ways as who would allow even the free will of these to be allowed except for God? Then if we could deny these same that free will they use perversely how would we be less so perverse?
A quandary? No.
Disallow these from gaining positions of power while doing what is right and just and living lives of virtue. A very simple, time tested formula needing no platitudes and the true core of Catholic social justice. Not socialism nor communism although falsely labeled as socialism primarily by nationalist proponents.
Virtue is the key to the door who is a person, Jesus. Opportunity is knocking.
 
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More perfectly ruined when abetted by government coercion. Especially when done so as a guise for more better regulation of the evil of private ownership. What pirates are these in the lap of government? The builders of greater wealth, beauty and art?
Oh, but by whose standards, since my truth us not your truth and good is a personal judgement, absolutely so.
Good is a person, the person of Christ Jesus. God is good.
Now tell me how that is irrelevant.
 
The subtle difference is that O-care forced people to buy a product, which BTW is a direct violation of the Constitution, AND it’s more crony capitalism.

A lot of insurance companies and Christian leaders went along with it and now have egg on their face. It’s been a total embarrassment and liability for its supporters.
 
JimG said:
One way to grow rich slowly is to live below your means, and save and invest.

If you live above your means, you’ll always be in debt.

If you live at your means, you’ll be living paycheck to paycheck.

If you live below your means and invest the excess, you’ll grow rich slowly.
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The main issue is when you can’t get living conditions below your means. There are minimum costs for the necessities of life and the necessities of maintaining employment. That’s the biggest area of dispute that I’ve found - whether we have too many jobs that either don’t meet the basic necessities of living, or just barely meet them in a way that people don’t have an excess to invest.

I think capitalism can create somewhat of a trap. There’s no money in making products that primarily benefit the poor if the poor don’t have the extra money to purchase them - even if purchasing them would ultimately improve their lives.
 
Monarchy, Communism, Nazism, Fascism, Socialism and liberalism in general all have in common the political goal of a few controlling the many by means of a large centralized government.

Why? Because the elite believe they know best, that their knowledge is superior to the collective knowledge of the uneducated masses. The following (ironically ungrammatical) quote displays this dismissive and condescending attitude.
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If you can’t see the real appeal of a political system then you’re not sufficiently educated enough to discuss it.
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We cannot eliminate this consequence of Original Sin – the vicious will to power; we can only continue in our struggle to control those who would impose themselves on us.
I know that’s harsh, but it’s the naked truth.
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I always feel the centrist approach is the best of all. Some socialist aspects are very good but so are capitalist.
 
After all health care should only be for the very rich with good insurance.
 
And yet, nearly everybody manages to have a cell phone or an iphone, which are not necessities of life.

As to medical care, I can say that Medicare has changed me from a patient to a product. That’s why there are all the ads for Medicare Advantage plan providers and Medigap policies. As long as the government is paying for it, I am merely a product to be fought over for market share. DPC physicians are a different story.
 
JimG said:
As to medical care, I can say that Medicare has changed me from a patient to a product. That’s why there are all the ads for Medicare Advantage plan providers and Medigap policies. As long as the government is paying for it, I am merely a product to be fought over for market share. DPC physicians are a different story.
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All this and it is bankrupting the country as well. All the more reason to end it immediately.
 
One day, when the One that holds back the
forces of the “kingdom of man” is taken away,
We WILL see a man of lawlessness form a
world government!! 2 Thess. 2:7 See Rev.
13:12,16
 
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