Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[boppaid]

I see “lip service” everywhere – including things like health care, education and ending or dramatically reducing poverty. It’s not as if limiting abortion was the only issue where politicians are pushing ineffective solutions.

Well, I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder. I felt very happy with the economic state of our country during the most recent democratic white house.

 

[boppaid]

Actually, I see your point…but make no mistake about it, a baby’s life is taken away from him and their choice to live is robbed from them before they begin to have a start in life, whereas if you or i , who are adults risking our lives , choose to defend this country. We at least have the choice from our own free will to do so. !

I really liked your post. It was so thoughtful and insightful. The only thing I really disagree with is the quote above. The reason why is because this doesn’t take into account the Iraqi’s lives lost in war…especially the women and children.

 

[dmelosi]

Good point. However, we also have to look at what’s possible. We don’t want to waste our votes on lip-service either.

Was the bitter fight for the republicans to confirm the pro life supreme court nominees lip service?

How can you say the democrats are pro life when they did absolutely everything in their power to stop a pro life nominee on that argument alone?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Well, I guess it’s all in the eye of the beholder. I felt very happy with the economic state of our country during the most recent democratic white house.

Hmm – poverty has stablized around the 10-15% level, bouncing around a percentage point or two, but nothing like the dramatic pre-Great Society drop. Almost 30% of children who enter high school do not graduate – which feeds poverty. People pay 15.3% of their income (pre- and post- paycheck) in FICA tax, and get less than 1/3 of the economic value back when they retire.

And the economy began its fall in the last year of that administration, and nothing was done to halt it while the problem was still manageable.

 

[boppaid]

Herein lies the fundamental difference in our views Boppaid.

I happen to believe going to war with terrorists was justified, and the correct thing to do. Some here don’t, we can debate that issue till the cows come home.

Yes, you’re right. That is our main difference, and we will likely never agree here. You say that "no one here ( that I know of) will say abortion is open for debate. It is universally condemened. " But, I would say ANY senseless death is universally condemned. I would venture to say that everyone here would agree with me on that. I just happen to believe the deaths caused in this war are senseless.

You may justify your pro choice vote by aligning it with the war issue. I don’t. I’m just glad my party’s social agenda matches my foreign policy beliefs. But if that wasn’t true, I’d vote pro life, and figure out the rest later.

See, I just could not live with myself if I voted on one issue, and figure out the rest later, because “the rest” is the killing of innocent men, women, and children. It’s taking away someone’s mom, dad, or child. I can’t let that figure itself out later. I just couldn’t live with my conscience if I did. So, I guess we are both voting in ways that allow us to sleep at night. WHich is as it should be. Thanks for the conversation. I respect your viewpoint, even though I could never agree. God Bless.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Was the bitter fight for the republicans to confirm the pro life supreme court nominees lip service?

How can you say the democrats are pro life when they did absolutely everything in their power to stop a pro life nominee on that argument alone?

Indeed, the Democrats always shrilly decry using the pro-life position as a “litmus test” for chosing a Court nominee – and then turn around and use the pro-choice position as a litmus test.

 

[Ferdy_000]

I really liked your post. It was so thoughtful and insightful. The only thing I really disagree with is the quote above. The reason why is because this doesn’t take into account the Iraqi’s lives lost in war…especially the women and children.

Listen, I know we’re hurt from this war, I know I am, but that’s what discussions are for because like it or not we are at war and our men and women are dying over there and over here because of it, and our words are all we have here in this society to voice our opinions no matter if we disagree with one another. It’s these discussions, like this forum that things get more resolved. If only our government would talk this way Thank you for your honesty.

 

[boppaid]

Listen, I know we’re hurt from this war, I know I am, but that’s what discussions are for because like it or not we are at war and our men and women are dying over there and over here because of it, and our words are all we have here in this society to voice our opinions no matter if we disagree with one another. It’s these discussions, like this forum that things get more resolved. If only our government would talk this way Thank you for your honesty.

That was beautifully put. I just wish we could get a politician in there who was truly Christian in all aspects of life. I keep praying…

 

[vern_humphrey]

That was beautifully put. I just wish we could get a politician in there who was truly Christian in all aspects of life. I keep praying…

I think God has decided this is a problem we must solve with our own efforts. We – regardless of party – must find and support candidates who are willing to end this holocaust. And if we do not, God, I think, will hold us responsible for our failure.

 

[buffalo]

I think God has decided this is a problem we must solve with our own efforts. We – regardless of party – must find and support candidates who are willing to end this holocaust. And if we do not, God, I think, will hold us responsible for our failure.

Vern, you are right on here.

When history looks back what was worse?

Germans being duped by Hilter or the American apathy to abortion? and the American pro-choice movement? or own American eugenics?

 

[Swan]

Listen, I know we’re hurt from this war, I know I am, but that’s what discussions are for because like it or not we are at war and our men and women are dying over there and over here because of it, and our words are all we have here in this society to voice our opinions no matter if we disagree with one another. It’s these discussions, like this forum that things get more resolved. If only our government would talk this way Thank you for your honesty.

While I agree with boppaid on the one issue vote, your sentiment is like a breath fresh air. This is what it all boils down to. Thanks.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Vern, you are right on here.

When history looks back what was worse?

Germans being duped by Hilter or the American apathy to abortion? and the American pro-choice movement? or own American eugenics?

And we may talk all we want about the other “social justice” issuess. No society can have justice while it murders the most helpless and innocent on an assembly line basis.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

I definitely agree with you, Vern
Deacon Ed B

 

[rlg94086]

While we are on the subject, I happened to see the following book offered for pre-order in my monthly edition of Columbia from the KofC:
A Civilization of Love
What Every Catholic Can Do to Transform the World
acivilizationoflove.com/cl/index.html

I will be really interested in Carl Anderson’s views on the social teaching of the Church.

 

[ribozyme]

While we are on the subject, I happened to see the following book offered for pre-order in my monthly edition of Columbia from the KofC:
A Civilization of Love
What Every Catholic Can Do to Transform the World
acivilizationoflove.com/cl/index.html

I will be really interested in Carl Anderson’s views on the social teaching of the Church.

I do not know what one can do to change the world… the best way I can think of is to become a successful hedge fund manager and donate most of your money to charity so you have enough assets to make a significant difference. Unfortunately, I do not think I could be a successful hedge fund manager. I wished I shorted the housing bubble or dollar. That money could have been used for charity.

 

[dmelosi]

I do not know what one can do to change the world… the best way I can think of is to become a successful hedge fund manager and donate most of your money to charity so you have enough assets to make a significant difference. Unfortunately, I do not think I could be a successful hedge fund manager. I wished I shorted the housing bubble or dollar. That money could have been used for charity.

The only way to change the world is 1 person at a time. But it takes everyone pitching in, the notion that you leave the task to others as you seem to imply is socialism and does not work.

 

[rlg94086]

I do not know what one can do to change the world… the best way I can think of is to become a successful hedge fund manager and donate most of your money to charity so you have enough assets to make a significant difference. Unfortunately, I do not think I could be a successful hedge fund manager. I wished I shorted the housing bubble or dollar. That money could have been used for charity.

Yeah…okay…Somehow, I don’t think that is what Carl Anderson is going to recommend in his book.

 

[ribozyme]

Yeah…okay…Somehow, I don’t think that is what Carl Anderson is going to recommend in his book.

Besides that, I do not know any other way one can meaningfully and significantly contribute to the welfare of humanity. I do not know how I can contribute without having significant assets.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Besides that, I do not know any other way one can meaningfully and significantly contribute to the welfare of humanity. I do not know how I can contribute without having significant assets.

Have you considered getting a job and working?

 

[ribozyme]

You still would not have lots of money to donate to charity and think tanks. But being a hedge fund manager will provide you the means to do that.