Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

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vern_humphrey said:
I say when a candidate is in favor of mass murder of the innocent, we need examine that candidate no farther.

We must always support the candidate who is willing to restrict or eliminate this mass murder – if there is such a candidate.
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How much mass murder is OK? OK to kill all the handicapped, deformed, impaired, incest-conceived, rape-conceived, etc. That’s only a small mass murdering compared to the holocaust of unrestricted abortions so it’s OK? Maybe just restrict it to the really impaired? That’s a much smaller mass murdering

I know the point you are trying to make, but I cannot help but think that by supporting a little mass murder you are actually supporting the the underpinnings of all mass murder. The key here is to denounce BOTH the Dems and the GOP for being in support of Mass murder - and condemn them both loudly and consistently. The posts on this Board that confuse the GOP and DEM positions on the basic issue by reason of the arguments you make to support the party (GOP) that restricts certain abortion without clearly and unequivcably denouncing them for their support of abortion at all is the problem.

Vote for whomever you want, and use your best prudential judgment in the analysis - but abortion is supported improperly and grotesquely by both. That’s my point - very simply.
 
I would support a candidate that favors the imposition of murder charges against any woman who has an abortion. Any other stance is hypocritical from a pro-life pov.
 
johnnykins said:
How much mass murder is OK? OK to kill all the handicapped, deformed, impaired, incest-conceived, rape-conceived, etc. That’s only a small mass murdering compared to the holocaust of unrestricted abortions so it’s OK? Maybe just restrict it to the really impaired? That’s a much smaller mass murdering
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Are you saying that a little mass murder is acceptable, and we should just ignore it?
johnnykins said:
I know the point you are trying to make, but I cannot help but think that by supporting a little mass murder you are actually supporting the the underpinnings of all mass murder.
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And by not doing what one can against mass murder – and pretending other things are more important, one actually assists in mass murder.
johnnykins said:
The key here is to denounce BOTH the Dems and the GOP for being in support of Mass murder - and condemn them both loudly and consistently. The posts on this Board that confuse the GOP and DEM positions on the basic issue by reason of the arguments you make to support the party (GOP) that restricts certain abortion without clearly and unequivcably denouncing them for their support of abortion at all is the problem.
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Fine – in fact, I have done that over and over.

But this year is an election year. We – having failed to work hard enough and early enough – are faced with choosing between imperfect candidates. And we must make the best of it and vote for the one who is least pro-choice.
johnnykins said:
Vote for whomever you want, and use your best prudential judgment in the analysis - but abortion is supported improperly and grotesquely by both. That’s my point - very simply.
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And that makes it okay to vote for a candidate whose party openly supports taxpayer funded abortion?
 
zab said:
A stitch in time saves nine.
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And if we had remembered that years ago, and worked to promote pro-live candidates – in both parties – and deny nomination to pro-choice candidates, abortion would no longer be the issue it is.

And as Catholics, we had the power to do that. But we didn’t.

And now we must play catch-up. We must come from behind to win this battle.

And those who lack the courage to face the facts, who want to abandon the battlefield and do pie-in-the-sky things like promote a third party, do not help.
 
vern_humphrey said:
And if we had remembered that years ago, and worked to promote pro-live candidates – in both parties – and deny nomination to pro-choice candidates, abortion would no longer be the issue it is.

And as Catholics, we had the power to do that. But we didn’t.

And now we must play catch-up. We must come from behind to win this battle.

And those who lack the courage to face the facts, who want to abandon the battlefield and do pie-in-the-sky things like promote a third party, do not help.
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You’ve got it all wrong. No-one is “abandoning the battlefield” in the fight against abortion by voting for a pro-life candidate in a third party. That takes courage. What courage is there in sitting back and settling for the candidate that we did not want?
 
zab said:
You’ve got it all wrong. No-one is “abandoning the battlefield” in the fight against abortion by voting for a pro-life candidate in a third party.
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Yes, they are.
zab said:
That takes courage.
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No, it doesn’t.
zab said:
What courage is there in sitting back and settling for the candidate that we did not want?
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The courage to face reality, to make the hard choices, and to do what we can to advance the cause, even in the most discouraging circumstances.
 
vern_humphrey said:
Yes, they are.

No, it doesn’t.

The courage to face reality, to make the hard choices, and to do what we can to advance the cause, even in the most discouraging circumstances.
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  1. No they aren’t
  2. Yes, it does
  3. I suppose the Democrats could say the same. I guess that depends on what your cause is. I will continue to support the best pro-life conservative candidate.
 
zab said:
  1. No they aren’t
  2. Yes, it does
  3. I suppose the Democrats could say the same. I guess that depends on what your cause is. I will continue to support the best pro-life conservative candidate.
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I feel like Ive walked into a Broadway musical:

Anything you can do, I can do better
I can do any thing better than you
No you can’t, Yes I can, No you can’t, Yes I can
No you can’t, Yes I can, yes I can
 
estesbob said:
I feel like Ive walked into a Broadway musical:

Anything you can do, I can do better
I can do any thing better than you
No you can’t, Yes I can, No you can’t, Yes I can
No you can’t, Yes I can, yes I can
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APPLAUSE
 
zab said:
  1. No they aren’t
  2. Yes, it does
  3. I suppose the Democrats could say the same. I guess that depends on what your cause is. I will continue to support the best pro-life conservative candidate.
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To paraphrase Kipling:
After the fight at Otterburn, before the ravens came
The witch-wife rode across the fern and called dead Percy’s name
"Stand up, stand up, Northumberland. Stand up and tell me true
“If ever ye dealt in blade and brand, how went the fray with you?”
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“Hither and yon,” the Percy said, "as every fight must go.
“for some they fought, and some they fled. And some struck ne’er a blow.”
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Grendel, fated, fled to the fens,
To his joyless dwelling, sick unto death.
635 He knew in his heart that his hours were numbered,
His days at an end.
 
deb1 said:
I am curious, why would a Catholic vote for a prochoice canidate?:confused: Do they not see abortion as evil?

Abortion is a type of genocide, so isn’t voting prochoice a method of giving approval to genocide of the most innocent, helpless of victims?

Some on this forum have said that they don’t want to use only one issue to vote for a candidate. But would you think the same if instead of killing unborn babies, we were talking about the killing of minority adults?

Imagine this: two candidates are up for office, one is a worthless human being but against killing the members of a minority group. The second candidate stands for everything that the voter believes in but thinks that killing adult minorities should be allowed, would you still vote for the second candidate?

I don’t see how killing unborn babies is different then killing adult minorities of any race or religion.:confused:
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Hi Deb,

I didnt read through the thread so sorry if this is a repeat.

I think many people just dont think about killing unborn babies as murder like minority adults. The minority adults are already here and living amongst us. The unborn babies are not here yet and the general public just doesnt have any emotional attachment to them.

Im not saying this is correct or right just my 2 cents.

I use to be pro-choice—but always voted republican-go figure. I was one of those people who believed what the world told me that a fetus was not a human until it was born:rolleyes: I was, of course, not a christian at the time(my BC years(before Christ))

After I became a christian, I still was pro-choice for a few years.😦 God has delivered me from that thought:D

I think many people also buy into the lies that the secular world tell.😦
 
Hi AllForHim,

I posted this before, but I think it applies:

Caring for the poor, funding education, support for affordable housing, job training, treatment for substance abuse, and funding for social services are all noble promises. However, these promises come at a very high price, a price that is too high to pay. It has been estimated that 45-50 million innocent babies have been slaughtered through abortion. Those advocating abortion would have us believe it is painless, that the fetus is not self-aware. This is one of the reasons God confers Private Revelations. Through these invaluable communications of God, He provides supplementary knowledge and truths.

For example, through visions of Sister Agnes Sasagawa in Akita Japan (full Church Approval from Local Bishop Ito and Cardinal Ratzinger in 1988), God communicated that these abortions are very painful to the unborn. Sister Agnes suffered these pains, and those near her depicted it as agonizing. While suffering, she cried out repeatedly in a loud voice: “Mommy, no!” We learned through her, that the unborn babies are well aware they are being killed, and desperately desire to live.

Jesus told the Jews: “Do not think that I will condemn you before the Father. The one who will accuse you is Moses.” John 5:45. Through other Private Revelations, we learn that the propagators of the unholy silent massacre will be accused before Our Holy Father, “by a sea of multitudes, further than the eye can see, of these slaughtered innocents. And those accused will be mortified with indescribable terror.” When you vote, consider that; often bad qualities can outweigh the good qualities. And we have to make a moral decision. Please, consider the innocent lives of those who have no voice, but what has been communicated to us through God.

God Bless
 
If you think helping one another and carrying each other’s burdens is socialism than you better get your Bible out and read it more carefully. We would not have to depend on the government if we took care of each other when down and out. It’s not a free hand out it is a HANDUP. Back to what Jesus says all through the Word help one another, carry one another’s burdens, pray for one another (have you noticed how everyone seems to be for one’s own self these days and doesn’t give a hoot about old Joe down the street who has cancer and no way to get to his radiation treatments? Whats wrong with you???

I am not voting for any candidate because my conscience won’t let me. This forum makes me want to cry because everyone seems to be focused on one thing only. Abortion is horrible and anyone advocating it should be beheaded. I’m not sure I want to be catholic anymore. I’m pro-life. but I believe in the importance of other issues out there as well.
 
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