Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[dmelosi]

We have tried to work from within the party but the Republican Party has failed us.

The republican party has a pro life platform stated on their website.

The democratic party states very clearly the are firmly pro choice.

What do you think is easier and more productive, to start all over and virtually have no chance or to work within to gain back some of what has been lost?

 

[zab]

This seems a little like asking if it is better to be employed at $5 an hour than unemployed at $10 an hour. The next president will be from one of the two major parties (the employed at $5/hr option); the third party candidate has no chance (the unemployed at $10/hr option). I guess I don’t see the wisdom of choosing the profitless option .

Ender

When neither of the candidates in the leading parties represent the views of moral conservatives, a truly pro-life conservative third party candidate has just as much chance as the other candidates to win the election in November.

 

[zab]

The republican party has a pro life platform stated on their website.

The democratic party states very clearly the are firmly pro choice.

What do you think is easier and more productive, to start all over and virtually have no chance or to work within to gain back some of what has been lost?

The platform stated on the website is from the election of 2004.
There should be no question of where a candidate stands if their message has been the same their entire political life. Why should one give up before the final battle begins, before hearing what each of the nominees has to say?

 

[vern_humphrey]

We have tried to work from within the party but the Republican Party has failed us.

No, we have failed. We have failed to work hard enough. We have failed to be active early enough.

If we Catholics had joined ranks 30 years ago, neither party would support abortion.

 

[zab]

No, we have failed. We have failed to work hard enough. We have failed to be active early enough.

If we Catholics had joined ranks 30 years ago, neither party would support abortion.

You can go on failing and vote for failures or you can stand up and vote for what is right.

 

[dmelosi]

The platform stated on the website is from the election of 2004.
There should be no question of where a candidate stands if their message has been the same their entire political life. Why should one give up before the final battle begins, before hearing what each of the nominees has to say?

gop.com/images/2004platform.pdf
This is on their website today, as their current platform.
pages 25, 76, 77, 81, 84,

democrats.org/pdfs/2004platform.pdf
This is on their website today, as their current platform.
pages 42 I quote…
we stand proudly for a woman’s right to choose,
consistent with Roe v. Wade, and regardless of her ability to pay. We stand firmly against Republican efforts to undermine that right. At the same time, we strongly support family planning and adoption incentives. Abortion should be safe, legal, and rare.

 

[vern_humphrey]

You can go on failing and vote for failures or you can stand up and vote for what is right.

I agree – and the record of third parties is the record of failure in this country.

 

[ribozyme]

We have tried to work from within the party but the Republican Party has failed us.

The Grover Norquists, Stephen Moores, Lawrence Kudlows and Richard Mellon Scaifes are the ones pulling the strings of the Republican Party. I wonder if they are devoted to the abolition of abortion. They are the ones that failed your agenda.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The Grover Norquists, Stephen Moores, Lawrence Kudlows and Richard Mellon Scaifes are the ones pulling the strings of the Republican Party. I wonder if they are devoted to the abolition of abortion. They are the ones that failed your agenda.

 

[johnnykins]

I suspect the poster is projecting.

How many times do I have to ask this question: Given two candidates, one of whom espouses the pro-life position, albeit imperfectly, and the other who espouses the pro-choice position, can a Catholic morally vote for the latter?

The more important is, can a Catholic vote for the former?

If the answer is yes, as you propose, then I submit it opens other issues to be considered.

I submit since all serious candidates and parties as of now, and virtually all others, hold an immoral non-Catholic position vis-a-vis abortion, it not only isn’t a test, to make it a test leads to a ridiculous position of not being able to vote for anyone with any chance of winning and affecting the issue in a positive way.

Morally, however, once you accept than no candidate holds the moral position, you can then consider other issues - meaning abortion is NOT the test for voting that some here would like.

 

[dmelosi]

The Grover Norquists, Stephen Moores, Lawrence Kudlows and Richard Mellon Scaifes are the ones pulling the strings of the Republican Party. I wonder if they are devoted to the abolition of abortion. They are the ones that failed your agenda.

Not one of them like McCain…a fluke? Or are you brainwashed yourself?

 

[dmelosi]

The more important is, can a Catholic vote for the former?

If the answer is yes, as you propose, then I submit it opens other issues to be considered.

I submit since all serious candidates and parties as of now, and virtually all others, hold an immoral non-Catholic position vis-a-vis abortion, it not only isn’t a test, to make it a test leads to a ridiculous position of not being able to vote for anyone with any chance of winning and affecting the issue in a positive way.

Morally, however, once you accept than no candidate holds the moral position, you can then consider other issues - meaning abortion is NOT the test for voting that some here would like.

Your submit button seems to be broken or going to the wrong link.

 

[zab]

I agree – and the record of third parties is the record of failure in this country.

That does not prove that they could never have a winning candidate.

 

[vern_humphrey]

The more important is, can a Catholic vote for the former?

If the answer is yes, as you propose, then I submit it opens other issues to be considered.

I submit since all serious candidates and parties as of now, and virtually all others, hold an immoral non-Catholic position vis-a-vis abortion, it not only isn’t a test, to make it a test leads to a ridiculous position of not being able to vote for anyone with any chance of winning and affecting the issue in a positive way.

Morally, however, once you accept than no candidate holds the moral position, you can then consider other issues - meaning abortion is NOT the test for voting that some here would like.

Only if you espouse moral relativism.

 

[estesbob]

The Grover Norquists, Stephen Moores, Lawrence Kudlows and Richard Mellon Scaifes are the ones pulling the strings of the Republican Party. I wonder if they are devoted to the abolition of abortion. They are the ones that failed your agenda.

Bumper sticker politics. God help us if you represent the future.

 

[vern_humphrey]

That does not prove that they could never have a winning candidate.

As I recall, about 20 years or so ago, a door blew out on an airliner, a stewardess fell out, fell some 10,000+ feet – and survived.

So anything is possible. But when I jump, I wear a parachute.

 

[estesbob]

Morally, however, once you accept than no candidate holds the moral position, you can then consider other issues - meaning abortion is NOT the test for voting that some here would like.

The mental mastrubation required to rationalize voting for pro-abortion canidates is a terrbile thing to behold.

 

[johnnykins]

Only if you espouse moral relativism.

So, are you saying it is impermissibly immoral to vote for anyone who does not affirm and support the Catholic position on abortion - i.e., no abortion allowed under any circumstance?

If so, why even bother with your question above about imperfectly supporting it and not supporting it at all? It’s irrelevant.

 

[johnnykins]

The mental mastrubation required to rationalize voting for pro-abortion canidates is a terrbile thing to behold.

So you vote for none of the major party candidates since they are all in favor of abortion?

 

[zab]

As I recall, about 20 years or so ago, a door blew out on an airliner, a stewardess fell out, fell some 10,000+ feet – and survived.

So anything is possible. But when I jump, I wear a parachute.

Certainly we will not perish for having voted for what is right.

“If God is for us who can be against us?” Romans 8:28-31