Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[Insight]

Hi BamaRider,

I am totally dumbfounded, I came from another Catholic forum with several members who were very aggressively supporting Pro-Choice candidates, including a couple of moderators. Even to the point that they seemed to be campaigning for them. I don’t know what is happening to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I think that is why the Pope is visiting during the election, to remind us of our values. Those who were defending Voting Pro-Life were starting to notice our older postings being trimmed down, specifically the more effective arguments. Basically they seem to give much higher weight to social issues than these little lives. They trade their morals for the candy given out by Pro-Abortion candidates, then try to rationalize it. Sometimes they will cite the war.

From my experience, I tend to think that people are having difficulty grasping the numbers. 50 million minutes (number of murdered innocents) ago it was 1912, the year the Titanic sank. I don’t think we hit 4,000 deaths in the war yet, but 4,000 minutes was only two days ago. The war is like a bucket of water in the ocean as compared to abortion.

I posted this before: I believe that Dr. Dobson has the right strategy. There are 77 million Roman Catholics in the United States. If all these Roman Catholics agreed to vote Pro-Life, both parties (Republican & Democrat) would be forced to run Pro-Life candidates. I think that is why the Pope is visiting.

God Bless

 

[Ender]

Believe it or not there are other issues out there besides the abortion issue.

Yes there are, and Catholics continue to enable abortion by accepting those other issues as more important.

Ender

 

[Philothea53]

Join the party of your choice. Pay your dues. Attend the meetings. Recruit pro-life people as candidates. Back them. Work for them.

Ah, therein lies the problem. My party is/was the Democratic Party. It doesn’t exist anymore

 

[Philothea53]

There are fewer abortions now than when it was illegal, at least in the U.S. .

Not true! That is a big lie perpetuated by Planned Parenthood and the abortion industry to further their agenda.

 

[Philothea53]

Hi BamaRider,

I am totally dumbfounded, I came from another Catholic forum with several members who were very aggressively supporting Pro-Choice candidates, including a couple of moderators. Even to the point that they seemed to be campaigning for them. I don’t know what is happening to the Holy Roman Catholic Church. I think that is why the Pope is visiting during the election, to remind us of our values. Those who were defending Voting Pro-Life were starting to notice our older postings being trimmed down, specifically the more effective arguments. Basically they seem to give much higher weight to social issues than these little lives. They trade their morals for the candy given out by Pro-Abortion candidates, then try to rationalize it. Sometimes they will cite the war.

From my experience, I tend to think that people are having difficulty grasping the numbers. 50 million minutes (number of murdered innocents) ago it was 1912, the year the Titanic sank. I don’t think we hit 4,000 deaths in the war yet, but 4,000 minutes was only two days ago. The war is like a bucket of water in the ocean as compared to abortion.

I posted this before: I believe that Dr. Dobson has the right strategy. There are 77 million Roman Catholics in the United States. If all these Roman Catholics agreed to vote Pro-Life, both parties (Republican & Democrat) would be forced to run Pro-Life candidates. I think that is why the Pope is visiting.

God Bless

Your screen name was appropriately chosen.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Ah, therein lies the problem. My party is/was the Democratic Party. It doesn’t exist anymore

In '06 we elected the first Republican ever to county office. He had held office before as a Democrat, and he told me, “People aske me, ‘Why did you leave the Democratic Party?’ and I tell them, ‘I didn’t. The Democratic Party left me.’”

He’s right – the old Democratic Party has been captured by the most radical interest groups.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Believe it or not there are other issues out there besides the abortion issue.

Name one that trumps the pre-meditated murder of over a million innocent children a year.

How can any society ever be just when it kills the innocent at that rate?

 

[Philothea53]

In '06 we elected the first Republican ever to county office. He had held office before as a Democrat, and he told me, “People aske me, ‘Why did you leave the Democratic Party?’ and I tell them, ‘I didn’t. The Democratic Party left me.’”

He’s right – the old Democratic Party has been captured by the most radical interest groups.

It’s really a shame because I am not truly a Republican although I have been forced to vote as one to protest the liberal policies of what USED TO BE THE Democratic Party, most especially the rabid support of a woman’s right to kill her unborn child.

 

[Deacon_Ed_B]

I for one am continually dumbfounded by the number of Catholics who do not see abortion as one of, if not the most important issue we have in this country. Since Row v Wade, this country has gone to hell in a hand basket. It is correct that if all 77 million Catholics voted their belief**?** in the sanctity of life that we could turn this country around in one election cycle. Too many people have other things on their mind. Am I against war? Yes I am. If we look at the sheer numbers, abortion kills more in one year than many of our wars. People, open your eyes and hearts. Look at what is happening. Don’t tell me poverty is a greater issue. We kill more in one year of unwanted babies than have died from starvation in several centuries in this country. This is an issue that has got to be addressed. Even one US Representative, a so called catholic, voted against the abortion survivors act. I find that most disturbing. We have got to vote issues, not party. Always be guided by the 5 non-negotiables.
Deacon Ed B

 

[vern_humphrey]

It’s really a shame because I am not truly a Republican although I have been forced to vote as one to protest the liberal policies of what USED TO BE THE Democratic Party, most especially the rabid support of a woman’s right to kill her unborn child.

If enough Democrats would join you, they could transform the party – because then pro-choice Democrats would be purged from the party.

I think it is incumbent on all of us to end abortion. To that purpose, those who identify with one party or the other must purge their parties – even if it means temporarily leaving those parties until they correct their ways.

 

[zab]

The party is supposed to represent the views of the people. When a party chooses a nominee that no longer upholds moral and social conservative values, then it does not represent the views of the majority of moral conservative voters. If there were no other candidate running for president then moral conservatives would have no other choice than to vote for the least bad candidate. But when there is a good candidate that is still in the race, even if he decides to leave the party that once represented his views, I believe that we have a moral responsibility to support the good candidate. Are moral conservatives in the minority in this country? I hope not. If all moral conservatives supported the good candidate, he would have a chance to win.Sometimes it takes courage to make the right choice.

 

[Insight]

Hi Philothea53,

 Lampstand has fallen for their BS.  Abortions have hit almost an all-time low, not seen since the 1970’s.  This is directly do to eight years of having a Pro-Life President.

nrlc.org/abortion/facts/abortionstats.html

 The NARAL websites try to make the figures appear to show lower abortions with Pro-Death candidates.  Murderers have little difficulty with lying.

God Bless

 

[zab]

In '06 we elected the first Republican ever to county office. He had held office before as a Democrat, and he told me, “People aske me, ‘Why did you leave the Democratic Party?’ and I tell them, ‘I didn’t. The Democratic Party left me.’”

He’s right – the old Democratic Party has been captured by the most radical interest groups.

I have noticed that a lot of pro-life conservative Republicans were once Democrats. Even my own father found it very difficult to leave the Democratic Party. But he admitted before he died that he voted for Ronald Reagan. Now the Republican party has left us.
Here is something that I learned recently: Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican?

 

[vern_humphrey]

I have noticed that a lot of pro-life conservative Republicans were once Democrats. Even my own father found it very difficult to leave the Democratic Party. But he admitted before he died that he voted for Ronald Reagan. Now the Republican party has left us.

Unless we take it back.

I find some hope in the overwhelming Republican rejection of Guiliani.

Here is something that I learned recently: Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr was a Republican?

I did not know that.

 

[SenorSalsa]

Look y’all, I told y’all about 20 pages ago, some are more liberal than pro life. They are not gonna vote for a conservative no matter how many pro life appointments he might make. If you vote pro life, you’re gonna hafta to vote for a conservative, end of story. I don’t know a single pro life politician that would be liberal on other social and foreign issues. Those things just don’t seem to mix on the national and state level candidates.

There are many that will spin a pro choice vote into all kinds of reasons. Having been on this thread from the get go, I can save ya the trouble of scrolling back. They break down as follows:

“well he only says he’s pro life, he won’t actually do anything.” Not true, witness our new Chief Justice,and the President’s veto of the stem cell reaserch bill.

“His only pro life to get votes” So you vote pro choice and remove all doubt? I can promise ya, they NEVER not vote pro choice when called upon to do so.

“I’m not a one issue voter, I hafta look at the entire package” So increasing the MW, social healthcare, open borders etc is more important then millions of children?

And one of my favorites, “It’s more complicated then that.” Which really means I don’t wanna talk about it.

I don’t think its complicated at all, if a Catholic votes for a pro choice candidate, he is more socially liberal then he is pro life. That’s not making a judgement, that’s stating a fact.

What about my argument that the Nat. Govt has no business dictating something like Abortion, they overstepped that boundary with Roe v. Wade. I would like to see that desicion overturned with the outcome of it is up to the states to decide if or what abortions should be legal.

I am also not saying it is less important than other issues, just that im not gonna vote for a Candidate who wants to invade Poland, no matter how pro-life he is. I will vote for a candidate who i agree with on all(or worst case a large majority) of the issues

 

[CapIV]

I won’t vote for a single candidate who justifies infanticide.

It is that simple.

A vote for a pro-abortion candidate is a vote for infanticide.

It is that simple.

 

[buffalo]

Unfortunately true.

But we have no one to blame but ourselves.

Vern makes a great point here. If we had not let this get so far out of hand we would have had better choices. Be that as it may, we must incrementally take it back step by step in the same way we let it go. We cannot be apathetic.

 

[vern_humphrey]

What about my argument that the Nat. Govt has no business dictating something like Abortion, they overstepped that boundary with Roe v. Wade. I would like to see that desicion overturned with the outcome of it is up to the states to decide if or what abortions should be legal.

I am also not saying it is less important than other issues, just that im not gonna vote for a Candidate who wants to invade Poland, no matter how pro-life he is. I will vote for a candidate who i agree with on all(or worst case a large majority) of the issues

So the deaths of millions of innocent children is just one among many political issues?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Vern makes a great point here. If we had not let this get so far out of hand we would have had better choices. Be that as it may, we must incrementally take it back step by step in the same way we let it go. We cannot be apathetic.

That’s correct. And like the ancient martyrs, we cannot see the end of the persecution – all we can do is offer ourselves and trust in Christ.

 

[elt1956]

Micahel,

I just want you to know I own the** Voter’s Guide for Serious Catholics**, which I acquired from my parish in Huntsville, and I consider it a very great guideline for me, a serious Catholic who tries to be consistently in line with the Church and its teachings. With what it said I took with me during the Texas Primary, and I feel at peace with the candidate I voted for.

As for the matter with the Bush Administration and its involvement with Planned Parenthood, I have this link I found. This is the source I referred to in when I got on my little rant on the Bush Administration.However, in knowing that Bush has selected two judges that are Conservative and resolve to uphold the Constitution, I am praying that we will have a panel of Justices who will reverse deal with Roe v. Wade accordingly.

I would like to thank you for your advice, as it helped very much. Also, I know I can get a little cynical when it comes to the Government, but one thing I rely on is prayer and faith. And I thank you and others who help me in strengthening both.

Thank you.

Hopefully we will all, including myself, remember to support such groups as Birthright if Roe vs. Wade is ever rescinded. Those women having abortions now will be just as helpless, hopeless and overwhelmed after such a event as before. Peace.