Why Would A Catholic Vote For A ProChoice Canidate?

[GordonBOPS]

The problem is the two party system. The view predominently is as though we only have two options to vote for. That is simply not the case Break the mental block that limits us to that - as if everybody who is conerned about the poor moral fiber of the Candidates would look deeper for their candidate, there could be changed. Israel had not choice over receiving bad kings, unfortunately, we as a society have put in a consistent parade of violent or amoral individuals into leadership.

 

[Aramis]

Well, it is against the law to turn away anyone from an emergency room due to inability to pay. But most liberal wonks aren’t complaining about that.

It also doesn’t stop the hospital from threatening to take everything you own if you can’t pay. Sure, they’ll save your life, then charge you an arm and a leg for it.

 

[elt1956]

So what you are saying is that it is OK to kill the innocent unborn if that is what the mother wants. In other words, its a choice, not a life. This is backwards. It is a life, not a choice.
Deacon Ed B

Pro-Choice means there is a choice. Pro-Life means there is no choice. The Sanctity of Life is upheld by those who are Pro-Life. Yes, abortion existed centuries ago and it still exists today. Does this mean there has been no human growth in understanding how valuable life is? We are not as ignorant in biology as those of eons ago are we? So doesn’t this make us more culpable, more responsible for our decisions, or not?

 

[unixfudotnet]

Disclaimer: I didn’t read all the pages of this thread, there are just too many.

I don’t think the world is so black and white. It just isn’t how the world operations and exists.

It seems to be decisions need to be made for the greater good. Unborn babies are not the only ones being killed and the only families being shattered.

It must be nice for a candidate to only have to worry about being pro-life or pro-choice and instantly getting a ton of voters on that very issue alone.

While it’s easy and not complicated to do that, there is much more to weigh in. What about the child and family after the birth?

I am not one to judge, I personally am pro-life, yet I do realize that when voting for a political leader, things aren’t so black and white and choosing just to vote for some one over one issue may not be for the greater good.

Realize that we are free to make up our own minds and no other human should be judging another. Leave it up for God to decide and just take care of yourself, which is all you can really do anyways. If you feel you are living in God’s will and living your life the way you should be, that should be enough of a challenge. Isn’t there better things to allocate time and energy on?

It is easier to not focus on ourselves, I do realize this. Yet, easy isn’t always the path we should be taking, right?

 

[estesbob]

Disclaimer: I didn’t read all the pages of this thread, there are just too many.

I don’t think the world is so black and white. It just isn’t how the world operations and exists.

It seems to be decisions need to be made for the greater good. Unborn babies are not the only ones being killed and the only families being shattered.

It must be nice for a candidate to only have to worry about being pro-life or pro-choice and instantly getting a ton of voters on that very issue alone.

While it’s easy and not complicated to do that, there is much more to weigh in. What about the child and family after the birth?

I am not one to judge, I personally am pro-life, yet I do realize that when voting for a political leader, things aren’t so black and white and choosing just to vote for some one over one issue may not be for the greater good.

Realize that we are free to make up our own minds and no other human should be judging another. Leave it up for God to decide and just take care of yourself, which is all you can really do anyways. If you feel you are living in God’s will and living your life the way you should be, that should be enough of a challenge. Isn’t there better things to allocate time and energy on?

It is easier to not focus on ourselves, I do realize this. Yet, easy isn’t always the path we should be taking, right?

Of course its balck and white. Killing children is wrong. I am at a loss as to why anyone would vote for someone who disagrees with that statement.

 

[unixfudotnet]

Of course its balck and white. Killing children is wrong. I am at a loss as to why anyone would vote for someone who disagrees with that statement.

Abortion isn’t the only thing that kills children. I don’t agree with abortion either, yet there is more to a president than just abortion. Foreign policy, medical coverage, funding for inner city programs.

Unborn children aren’t the only ones that are needlessly dieing. By turning a blind eye, even if not intentional, is trading one good for one evil.

I certainly am the last person to know everything about politics and all manners of ways that children and people die, yet I do know that a lot of lives also depend on other political stances.

I wasn’t arguing that abortion wasn’t wrong. I feel that I would be making myself a slave to a candidate if they just had to make one single thing I wanted vocal and a platform I agreed with for me to back them completely.

What about all the children and families that have died from bad foreign policy and a healthcare system? Are their lives less valuable than the unborn? I’d rather save as many lives as possible than just picking one single thing and focusing on that.

Maybe it takes growing up poor and no one having anything, being left to be forgotten and ignored by people that have more money and resources to realize that it isn’t just abortion that kills.

I feel that I need to look at the big picture. I would love to save every life I could. Yet, even if the president is pro-life, that doesn’t mean that anything is going to happen with it legally. I’d rather focus on what actually can be done than what I’d like to see done.

Yet, it is politics. It’s natural to be passionate and to disagree. I respect your opinion.

 

[mary_bobo]

Of course its balck and white. Killing children is wrong. I am at a loss as to why anyone would vote for someone who disagrees with that statement.

It’s called rationalization, Bob. These days we seem to be able to rationalize anything we want to do.

 

[dmelosi]

Abortion isn’t the only thing that kills children. I don’t agree with abortion either, yet there is more to a president than just abortion. Foreign policy, medical coverage, funding for inner city programs.

Unborn children aren’t the only ones that are needlessly dieing. By turning a blind eye, even if not intentional, is trading one good for one evil.

I certainly am the last person to know everything about politics and all manners of ways that children and people die, yet I do know that a lot of lives also depend on other political stances.

I wasn’t arguing that abortion wasn’t wrong. I feel that I would be making myself a slave to a candidate if they just had to make one single thing I wanted vocal and a platform I agreed with for me to back them completely.

What about all the children and families that have died from bad foreign policy and a healthcare system? Are their lives less valuable than the unborn? I’d rather save as many lives as possible than just picking one single thing and focusing on that.

Maybe it takes growing up poor and no one having anything, being left to be forgotten and ignored by people that have more money and resources to realize that it isn’t just abortion that kills.

I feel that I need to look at the big picture. I would love to save every life I could. Yet, even if the president is pro-life, that doesn’t mean that anything is going to happen with it legally. I’d rather focus on what actually can be done than what I’d like to see done.

Yet, it is politics. It’s natural to be passionate and to disagree. I respect your opinion.

I blame our politicians who claim to be Catholic, yet sell their soul to the devil for power. Then next are the ones that are so loyal to their party, they become blinded.

These politicians who have been taught that abortion is murder, yet sell their soul…make it seem “ok” or ‘not that important’ to others such as yourself to ease your conscience and make it easier for this country to literally get away with murder.

The black and white of the matter is that the democratic platform is 100% pro abortion, and the republican platform is against abortion.

The other issues you talk about are very debatable on who does the best for what. So many choose to believe the party of abortion and I cannot understand how a person believes more of what a pro killer party says.

 

[estesbob]

Abortion isn’t the only thing that kills children. I don’t agree with abortion either, yet there is more to a president than just abortion. Foreign policy, medical coverage, funding for inner city programs.

Unborn children aren’t the only ones that are needlessly dieing. By turning a blind eye, even if not intentional, is trading one good for one evil.

I certainly am the last person to know everything about politics and all manners of ways that children and people die, yet I do know that a lot of lives also depend on other political stances.

I wasn’t arguing that abortion wasn’t wrong. I feel that I would be making myself a slave to a candidate if they just had to make one single thing I wanted vocal and a platform I agreed with for me to back them completely.

What about all the children and families that have died from bad foreign policy and a healthcare system? Are their lives less valuable than the unborn? I’d rather save as many lives as possible than just picking one single thing and focusing on that.

Maybe it takes growing up poor and no one having anything, being left to be forgotten and ignored by people that have more money and resources to realize that it isn’t just abortion that kills.

I feel that I need to look at the big picture. I would love to save every life I could. Yet, even if the president is pro-life, that doesn’t mean that anything is going to happen with it legally. I’d rather focus on what actually can be done than what I’d like to see done.

Yet, it is politics. It’s natural to be passionate and to disagree. I respect your opinion.

The big picture is that anyone who suports killing children is unfit to lead at any level.

 

[mapleoak]

Abortion isn’t the only thing that kills children. I don’t agree with abortion either, yet there is more to a president than just abortion. Foreign policy, medical coverage, funding for inner city programs.

And if the presidential candidate supported killing 6 year old children, you would figure there’s more to a president than just the killing of 6 year olds?

 

[estesbob]

And if the presidential candidate supported killing 6 year old children, you would figure there’s more to a president than just the killing of 6 year olds?

Exactly! The point is not that a pro-abortion canidate “MIGHT” be better on the whole, the point is a person who supports abortion is so morally flawed they are unfit to lead.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Exactly! The point is not that a pro-abortion canidate “MIGHT” be better on the whole, the point is a person who supports abortion is so morally flawed they are unfit to lead.

And that is the whole point. A candidate must first pass the abortion test before we can consider any other factors.

 

[Pong]

And that is the whole point. A candidate must first pass the abortion test before we can consider any other factors.

 

[johnnykins]

And that is the whole point. A candidate must first pass the abortion test before we can consider any other factors.

So I guess we vote for nobody since no one except maybe a very limited number of renegades in any major party actually advocates and supports the Catholic position of no abortions under any circumstances.

Now if we vote for nobody, that leaves all those who oppose the Catholic position as the controlling voters in the country. Hmmmm…

Perhaps if there are a few renegades out there actually promoting the Catholic position, you could identify them with a website or other literature showing they actually are opposed to abortion under all circumstances. Then, of course, once we get past that hurdle, there are all the other Catholic positions that will need to be reviewed. I wonder how many are willing to vote to criminalize divorce since it, too, is a mortal sin, a morally degenerate act and destroys families every bit as much as say, … (oh you know where I’m going with this!!)

 

[johnnykins]

The big picture is that anyone who suports killing children is unfit to lead at any level.

So anyone who is Ok with abortion in the event of rape or incest is unfit. OK, that leaves no major politician in the country - including the GOP. Time to move to, where exactly?

 

[johnnykins]

Exactly! The point is not that a pro-abortion canidate “MIGHT” be better on the whole, the point is a person who supports abortion is so morally flawed they are unfit to lead.

That position certainly should free up the first Tuesday in November for you - unless you have some sort of gloss on “lead” that is not apparent.

 

[johnnykins]

It’s called rationalization, Bob. These days we seem to be able to rationalize anything we want to do.

Which is how so many on this Board rationalize supporting the GOP which clearly supports abortion in the event of incest and rape - imagine killing a child that did nothing because someone else committed a crime. The GOP is no better than the Dems. They’re all guilty of moral failure under the Catholic test. We’re all just one big happy family of rationalizers.

 

[vern_humphrey]

Which is how so many on this Board rationalize supporting the GOP which clearly supports abortion in the event of incest and rape - imagine killing a child that did nothing because someone else committed a crime. The GOP is no better than the Dems. They’re all guilty of moral failure under the Catholic test. We’re all just one big happy family of rationalizers.

Wow!

So if we have one candiate who would try to cut abortion by, say 10%, and another who would try to increase it by the same amount (through public funding), would you say it would be “rationalizing” to vote for the first candidate?

If we can’t find a perfect candidate or party, we should vote for the candidate or party who wants to make things worse?

 

[gloworm57]

Why is it that there is no Democratic candidate against abortion? I do not like the Republican platform, never have and never will. Mostly these candidates are for the wealthy classes and believe in privatizing the very things Americans have worked so adamantly for and so tirelessly for. Why should our social security be done away with and put aside in some separate flex account when many, many elderly people who are living on the edge of poverty depend on this money as a main source of livliehood. So, if I happen to vote for a democrat because I feel strongly that all Americans (not just an elite few) should be entitled to health insurance at AFFORDAble premiums and not be turned down because of a pre-existing condition which happened years ago, then I am going to hell. I had colon cancer 14 years ago and have no health insurance to cover any cancer tests like blood testing and colonoscopies. Yes, an embryo is a sacred life not to be aborted, but where are our Catholic social justice leaders who can try to make this a law without having to vote for a republican because they have the majority of right wing fundamentalists behind them. Certainly great Catholics like Dorothy Day fought for social causes like ending poverty and helping homeless persons. Mother Teresa, my favorite saint in all the world bent down and picked up these lowly dying souls in need of love and nourishment. There are so, so, so, many social issues at stake as well as abortion. I am not voting this year because my conscience won’t allow it. Comments welcome. Why spend billions upon billions of dollars on a holy war that will never be won??? These people are martyrs for their faith and will blow themselves up alongside American soldiers to be with Allah. What is the sense? This bloodshed is senseless…the terrorists are everywhere and no one or no where is safe in this violent. no conscience world of ours. We see hundreds upon thousands of our children (babies) being shipped back in body bags. Why? well so we Americans can be safe. But why don’t we Christians petition the Lord unceasingly about alternatives to this violence? Why not let the missionaries who are prepared to spread God’s message of salvation go forth without the bloodshed? What is going on here? Am I the only one who thinks of these things?

 

[vern_humphrey]

Why is it that there is no Democratic candidate against abortion?

Because those Catholics who consider themselves Democrats will not expel those politicians who support abortion.

Purge your party!