Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

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Yes, it does. They reject the Bishop of Rome, infant baptism, the Eucharist, and life issues for example.
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There is not a lot of difference between us in that respect either.
There is a world of difference between us on life issues, the LDS position on abortion is a glaring example. The LDS position is untenable from a Catholic understanding of life.
 
I was visited by some Mormons, and after listening to them, I don’t understand why anyone would want to be a Mormon, except that they were born into it. They had no choice in the matter. But to convert to it. I would rather be an Orthodox or Catholic before being a Mormon, the Mormons have no spiritual tradition outside of outward prayer.

And I feel the same about Jehovah Witnesses as well. Why convert to these two group?
I cannot think why anyone would voluntarily choose to be Mormon given free will. It is beyond comprehension.
 
I am reminded folks, after reading your exchanges, of the famous Shakespearean quote:

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

—Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82

That I think is a good advice that we all need to follow.
 
I am reminded folks, after reading your exchanges, of the famous Shakespearean quote:

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

—Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82

That I think is a good advice that we all need to follow.
I am not surprised you are quoting Shakespeare while ignoring the True Christ…
 
I am reminded folks, after reading your exchanges, of the famous Shakespearean quote:
This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

—Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82
That I think is a good advice that we all need to follow.
Shakespeare’s transcendental moment. 😉

It reflects something I do admire that is common among LDS, a childlike naivety.
 
I am reminded folks, after reading your exchanges, of the famous Shakespearean quote:

This above all: to thine own self be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man.

—Hamlet Act 1, scene 3, 78–82

That I think is a good advice that we all need to follow.
Just another way of bearing your testimony wouldn’t you say?

Can’t come up with anything else?
 
Just another way of bearing your testimony wouldn’t you say?

Can’t come up with anything else?
How did you learn to talk so much nonsense? Must take a lot of effort. I couldn’t do it. Not smart enough. I envy your talents.
 
How did you learn to talk so much nonsense? Must take a lot of effort. I couldn’t do it. Not smart enough. I envy your talents.
I do not understand how a guy too afraid to deal with me can insult others.
 
How did you learn to talk so much nonsense? Must take a lot of effort. I couldn’t do it. Not smart enough. I envy your talents.
Wow, did you ever wound me!!! How will I ever survive?

You know, you really shouldn’t come to a battle of wits unarmed.

That being said, your snarky little comment just shows how immature and unprepared you are to be involved in this conversation. You are obviously not here to engage in adult conversation.

Your comment also demonstrates another stereotypical mormon response which is, If you can’t discuss the argument presented, attack the poster.

I am glad you haven’t let us down on exhibiting any of the stereotypical mormon behaviors.
 
This thread has devolved into a bunch of second graders arguing on the playground and the comments are about as profound as “I know you are but what am I”? “Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah”. Please… Why all the personal jabs?
 
Just finished this book.

Mormonism: A Life Under False Pretenses
Baker, Lee B.

He spent 30 years as a Mormon (converted from Catholicism when he was in his 20s) and what finally tipped him was his realization that the Mormon religion does not teach Christ. He just literally believed without asking any questions along the way. Raised all of his children as Mormon as well.

He was angry when he finally researched and questioned things like polygamy, polyandry, racial bigotry, and other un-Christlike teachings. Since Baker believes that Christ would never teach against the Bible and the commandments, he finally realized that he was actually believing only man made rules and not truly what Christ taught.

The Mormon religion was putting onto Christ what was unbiblical and unlawful. He was ex-communicated for asking questions.

He still believes in God and is now going to a Bible believing church. I would love to see him go back to his Catholic roots.

His children stayed LDS and they now rarely let him see his grandchildren. It’s a sad story all the way.
 
I have never, ever in my 35 active years as a mormon, ever been taught “I get to be a God on my own planet” Not in any Sunday school lesson, or priesthood quorum, or temple session. Not in any bishopric meeting, or fireside, or hallway discussion. I’ve never seen it in any church literature. I’ve only heard it from critics, and maybe a mormon or two speculating about what the eternities must be like, since the Bible tells us Christ inherited everything the Father hath, and we can be joint heirs with Christ.

We are taught about exhaltation. I know you guys don’t believe it. I know y’all think it’s false doctrine, and feel the need now to counter the notion, and that’s fine. I’m just sticking it out there because it’s what we are actually taught - and not the goofy sensationalistic “eternal sex with a million wives on your own planet” nonsense people keep telling me I am taught.
👍 Ditto (but, I have been an active Mormon much longer than 35 years.)
 
This thread has devolved into a bunch of second graders arguing on the playground and the comments are about as profound as “I know you are but what am I”? “Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah”. Please… Why all the personal jabs?
👍 A couple of years ago there were actually some interesting discussions between LDS and Catholics. Today, it is always the same group with the same negative jabs regardless of the thread subject.
 
👍 Ditto (but, I have been an active Mormon much longer than 35 years.)
Either you two are not being honest, or you were very shielded.

[Heber C. Kimball] When we escape from this earth, (do) we suppose we are going to heaven? Do you suppose you are going to the earth that Adam came from? that Eloheim came from? where Jehovah the Lord came from? No. When you have learned to become obedient to the Father that dwells upon this earth, to the Father and God of this earth, and obedient to the messengers He sends—when you have done all that, remember you are not going to leave this earth. You will never leave it until you become qualified, and capable, and capacitated to become a father of an earth yourselves. - Nov 14, 1852
–Journal of Discourses 1:356

The real life we’re preparing for is eternal life. Secular knowledge has for us eternal significance. Our conviction is that God, our Heavenly Father, wants us to live the life that He does. We learn both the spiritual things and the secular things “so we may one day create worlds [and] people and govern them” (Henry B. Eyring, quoting Spencer W. Kimball, Ensign, October 2002.)
 
👍 A couple of years ago there were actually some interesting discussions between LDS and Catholics. Today, it is always the same group with the same negative jabs regardless of the thread subject.
lol…if I was LDS, I would consider the truth negative jabs, too.

It is hard when the truth proves you wrong at every turn. At that point, the truth becomes incredibly negative.

So I see why you feel the way you do
 
so many mormons, so many mormon teachings, the problem is that what mormons believe cannot be identified.

one mormon says this, another mormon says that. then, most of the mormons say only the current president’s teachings are official mormon beliefs. that creates the problem of what about all of the things the current president does not address? are those subjects outside of mormon teaching; or, are the previous presidents’ teachings on those subjects definitive? how long are a president’s teachings part of the mormon faith? only until another president contradicts the previous presidents’ teachings.

for catholics, i think it should be sufficient that we know, understand and teach our children and others who have little knowledge of our faith that the mormons believe in a different God than catholics, mormons believe in a different Jesus Christ than catholics, mormons believe in different sacraments than catholics and mormons believe in different scriptures than catholics.

that is what we catholics should first and foremost make clear when addressing the mormon faith. the mormon faith bears little resemblance to the catholic faith, different God, different Jesus, etc.
 
so many mormons, so many mormon teachings, the problem is that what mormons believe cannot be identified.

one mormon says this, another mormon says that. then, most of the mormons say only the current president’s teachings are official mormon beliefs. that creates the problem of what about all of the things the current president does not address? are those subjects outside of mormon teaching; or, are the previous presidents’ teachings on those subjects definitive? how long are a president’s teachings part of the mormon faith? only until another president contradicts the previous presidents’ teachings.

for catholics, i think it should be sufficient that we know, understand and teach our children and others who have little knowledge of our faith that the mormons believe in a different God than catholics, mormons believe in a different Jesus Christ than catholics, mormons believe in different sacraments than catholics and mormons believe in different scriptures than catholics.

that is what we catholics should first and foremost make clear when addressing the mormon faith. the mormon faith bears little resemblance to the catholic faith, different God, different Jesus, etc.
yep…these Mormons claim they were never taught something that their own prophets taught and even current Apostles quoted. Odd, huh? It is tough when you spend over 35 years as a Mormon and have no real clue as to the teachings…
 
yep…these Mormons claim they were never taught something that their own prophets taught and even current Apostles quoted. Odd, huh? It is tough when you spend over 35 years as a Mormon and have no real clue as to the teachings…
I once had a discussion with two Mormons outside a local shopping mall and explaining their “God” and I know it is not the same as the Eternal God we worship. However, they made the remark:

People say we do not worship the same God as other Christians.We believe in Jesus Christ

My facial look: :ehh:

What blows my mind away is how they simply refuse to acknowledge the HUGE differences, in reference to our God and the Mormon God or gods or whatever crazy beliefs they have, I cannot keep track.
 
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