Why would anyone want to be a Mormon or Jehovah Witnesses?

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RebeccaJ said:
🤷 You’re interpretation I would guess, since I’ve had other Mormons tell me differently.

“Professors” is a weird word to use anyway. Who has professors? Doesn’t “professor” in this context mean one who professes a belief?

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Of course it means one who professes, the word is used immediately after discussing a creed, a statement of beliefs that is professed. It’s not a weird word to use at all, it makes perfects sense unless you’re trying to make the statement say something other than what the words plainly mean.
 
eddie_too said:
try to be kind to mathonihan. i know how frustrating it is to encounter people with blind faith. i am experiencing that frustration also.

but, on the other hand, mathonihan has great faith. he/she has great intensity for knowing the truth. he/she cannot know the catholic faith at the current time because he/she has so wholly embraced the faith he/she has been given.

because of mathonihan great desire to serve the truth and the good, it may well be the real Holy Spirit who has brought him to Catholic Answers.

after reading his and our many posts, it seems we are getting nowhere with our present approach.

i imagine mathonihan fees threatened by our requests for evidence and support for his/her beliefs. especially, since such evidence and support does not exist.

i am not intending to offend any of you, but i encourage you to try and imagine yourself in the place of someone who has lived his or her life based on a devout and intense belief in a faith system and then faces our responses that clearly show the system to be incomplete, at best and completely false at worst. that is where mathonihan finds him/herself.

i know he/she is here voluntarily. but, we should be most interested in being instruments of the Holy Spirit in his/her life.

respond as you wish, but do so with the salvation of mathonihan’s soul as your primary motivation.

sorry if this is preachy, but in my judgment, we are all really spinning our wheels in this encounter with mathonihan.
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Mathonihah is a he by the way, not a she! đź‘Ť
 
mathonihah said:
That is a silly question. I don’t need to know where Zarahemla is in order to believe in the Book of Mormon. If it is important to you, then you don’t have to believe in the Book of Mormon. Why do you think I don’t need to believe, just because you don’t need to believe?
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Ah…so much for reason…

thanks for your admission
 
zaffiroborant said:
Nothing you have quoted anywhere supports the bit about building up churches unto themselves to get gain.
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That is a reference to other passages found in Mormon revelation.
And I can see members of the church being offended by the smearing the the good men who serve them, by the LDS army sent out to tear down their faith.
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We don’t “smear” anybody. You are again widening the meaning of that passage in the First Vision too far. It referred to a very localized event, at a very specific point in time, and to a very select group of aggressive, ultra-conservative, Protestant sects. It does not mean that that is how the Lord views every Christian minister today.
 
CutlerB said:
You have heard of placebo and suggestion? One cannot be sure it’s the Holy Spirit simpyl because one’s tummy gets warm. After all, I can claim that for movies and other books!
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My claim is for the testimony of the Holy Ghost, not my tummy getting warm.
 
zaffiroborant said:
Of course it means one who professes, the word is used immediately after discussing a creed, a statement of beliefs that is professed. It’s not a weird word to use at all, it makes perfects sense unless you’re trying to make the statement say something other than what the words plainly mean.
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I gave you enough context to demonstrate that that is not what it means.
 
mathonihan,

how do mormon’s define the “holy spirit”? in mormon teaching how does it relate to thee man who became god of this world? where does the “holy spirit” come from according to mormon teaching? how big is the “holy spirit”? what are the "holy spirit’s’ limitations? i am sincerely interested in the mormon teachings and understandings about the “holy spirit” of which they speak.
 
mathonihan,

according to the mormon faith, when a man reaches godhood, how does the world to which he is god get created and from what?
 
TexanKnight said:
always nice when you have so many versions of an alleged true story and can pick and choose the ones that fit what you want to believe
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You will be surprised to know that there are no serious contradictions between them.
 
eddie_too said:
mathonihan,

how do mormon’s define the “holy spirit”? in mormon teaching how does it relate to thee man who became god of this world? where does the “holy spirit” come from according to mormon teaching? how big is the “holy spirit”? what are the "holy spirit’s’ limitations? i am sincerely interested in the mormon teachings and understandings about the “holy spirit” of which they speak.
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The Holy Ghost is the third member of the Godhead, or what you call the Trinity. He is a “personage of Spirit,” according to Mormon teachings. He can “dwell” in us, inspire us, empower us, teach us, give us revelation, comfort us, testify to us, and lead us to all truth.
 
mathonihah said:
A statement of belief is without a reason, or the belief itself is the reason.
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Believing for the sake of belief is not a reason! I don’t think you understand what reason is.

Rationalizing is not reasoning.
I do absolutely. The reason is the testimony of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true. I have read it, and the Holy Spirit testifies to me that it is true. That is good enough reason for me. If it is not good enough for some people, so be it. Obviously I am not the only one whom it is “good for,” otherwise there wouldn’t be any Mormons. So obviously it is good enough for some people, if not for everyone.
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“Don’t need to walk around in circles
Walk around in circles, walk around in circles”
 
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mathonihah:
There is no “science” that can “prove” the Book of Mormon false. But the truth of it can be known by the power of the Holy Ghost.
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You didn’t answer my question. Science has proven that the Book of Mormon is NOT what Joseph Smith said it was; therefore Joseph Smith lied.

How is the Book of Mormon true for you?
 
Stephen168 said:
What does true mean? Science has proven that the Book of Mormon is NOT what Joseph Smith said it was; therefore Joseph Smith lied. How is the Book of Mormon true for you?
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He feels it is true, and the feeling is true, because he feels it is true.
 
mathonihah said:
That is a reference to other passages found in Mormon revelation.

We don’t “smear” anybody. You are again widening the meaning of that passage in the First Vision too far. It referred to a very localized event, at a very specific point in time, and to a very select group of aggressive, ultra-conservative, Protestant sects. It does not mean that that is how the Lord views every Christian minister today.
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there you go again with “THE first vision”. There is no such thing. You have already admitted you took one of the versions that best fits what you want believe and use that one…
 
mathonihah said:
A statement of belief is without a reason, or the belief itself is the reason.

I do absolutely. The reason is the testimony of the Holy Ghost that the Book of Mormon is true. I have read it, and the Holy Spirit testifies to me that it is true. That is good enough reason for me. If it is not good enough for some people, so be it. Obviously I am not the only one whom it is “good for,” otherwise there wouldn’t be any Mormons. So obviously it is good enough for some people, if not for everyone.
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Reason is the capacity for consciously making sense of things, applying logic, for establishing and verifying facts.
 
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