Why would God create people who do not want to live?

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Something to add to Post 20, we are not talking about someone that is not going to be created, we are talking about someone who is going to be created but is not yet created.

At least, that is my take on what is being asked.
 
For most of my life I have been very suicidal, even as a young child.

I realize that everyone here has a purpose on this earth. As sad as it is, I think that some people, who have unfortunately ended their lives, believed they did not have a purpose. However, perhaps their purpose was to let people know about the suffering they went through to show others in a similar position how they shouldn’t handle it. Almost like role models for what not to do?
 
Tom_Baum said:
Is God Omniscient or is God not Omniscient?

If God is Omniscient, does being Omniscient mean to know absolutely everything past, persent and future?

As far as, “In other words how could God know anything about an uncreated being”?

If God is Omniscient, how could God not know?
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Omniscient does not equal ‘know everything’. Jesus is omniscient and yet He admits He does not know when the father will have Him return to Earth.

As I understand it, omniscience means infinite knowledge, doesn’t it? A set can be infinite in members without having all possible members in it.
 
RGCheek said:
Omniscient does not equal ‘know everything’. Jesus is omniscient and yet He admits He does not know when the father will have Him return to Earth.

As I understand it, omniscience means infinite knowledge, doesn’t it? A set can be infinite in members without having all possible members in it.
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God knows all that is.
 
Neoplatonist said:
As a teacher and counselor, I really struggle with this. How many of those beautiful lives would have changed course and stepped back from the ledge if their guardian angel had appeared to them and reached out to touch them filling their heart with even a single instant of really being loved?

Given that, why aren’t they saved thus? What parent would value their child’s free will above their child’s life?
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A Parent that understands the difference between love and slavery?
 
ChainBreaker said:
A Parent that understands the difference between love and slavery?
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We will spawn far more paradoxes than we solve if we equate making someone feel loved and not letting them kill themself with enslaving them.
 
Tom_Baum said:
Is God Omniscient or is God not Omniscient?

If God is Omniscient, does being Omniscient mean to know absolutely everything past, persent and future?

As far as, “In other words how could God know anything about an uncreated being”?

If God is Omniscient, how could God not know?
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God is omniscient but we are not. We cannot possibly know the full extent of what is knowable. It is impossible for God to know what is intrinsically unknowable, not because His knowledge is limited but because it is self-contradictory. For example, God doesn’t know anything about nothing or no one because there is nothing to be known!
 
Robert_Sock said:
If we were to put things into proper perspective, none of us would want to live this life… ignorance is bliss, I guess.
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I don’t agree with this, Life is a tremendous gift. By giving us life, God has saved us from “the misery of non-existence.”

No one has mentioned yet that this is a tough society to live in. It’s toxic in many ways; to make it we have to overcome major hurdles: sometimes difficult family lives, lack of support, living in cities rife with crime, violence, and rudeness, we have to master complex systems of communication, transportation and employment often with little financial or emotional means. It often surprises me that I’ve still got my head above water, but there are no guarantees. Except that God loves and supports us, but we have to be open to him.
 
ChainBreaker said:
I think its a mistake to suggest that people who commit suicide do not want to live. They do want to live, just not in this world. Their personal experience of life is a heavy burden, and they wish to escape. Suicide is a form of escape; it’s just a very permanent one.
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It’s only permanent from a physical point of view…
 
Viki63 said:
I don’t agree with this, Life is a tremendous gift. By giving us life, God has saved us from “the misery of non-existence.”

No one has mentioned yet that this is a tough society to live in. It’s toxic in many ways; to make it we have to overcome major hurdles: sometimes difficult family lives, lack of support, living in cities rife with crime, violence, and rudeness, we have to master complex systems of communication, transportation and employment often with little financial or emotional means. It often surprises me that I’ve still got my head above water, but there are no guarantees. Except that God loves and supports us, but we have to be open to him.
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👍 Precisely!
 
Tom_Baum said:
Something to add to Post 20, we are not talking about someone that is not going to be created, we are talking about someone who is going to be created but is not yet created.

At least, that is my take on what is being asked.
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We are not created in time or space, Tom. Unlike the body our spiritual nature is made in the image of God. It either exists or doesn’t exist! In other words we are entering the realm of the unknowable…
 
ramshacklenonse said:
So many people commit suicide every day. The Church teaches that these people are not always morally responsible for their suicide due to severe emotional distress, and the common opinion seems to be that the majority of them are not responsible.

God created us out of love. That’s what we’re taught. But why, then, would God create somebody knowing very well that their life would end with them being in such a horrible mental state that they do not want to live anymore? I have no doubt that many of these people would, if given the choice, prefer to not have been born at all. How can we say, then, that they were created out of love?

If life is such a beautiful gift that it’s worth going through all the suffering that sin brought upon the world, then why do we have suicide? Why is suicide such a problem? If it exists at all, it should be an extreme rarity, and exclusively performed by atheists. This is not the case.
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Your question needs an answer.
Catholics have given their replies.
I saw no reply that gave you an answer to why so many Catholics were denied a Catholic Christian burial due to suicide.
I will never get an answer to it, other than - wait for it
We know more now
Who is the we here?
 
Viki63 said:
I don’t agree with this, Life is a tremendous gift. By giving us life, God has saved us from “the misery of non-existence.”

No one has mentioned yet that this is a tough society to live in. It’s toxic in many ways; to make it we have to overcome major hurdles: sometimes difficult family lives, lack of support, living in cities rife with crime, violence, and rudeness, we have to master complex systems of communication, transportation and employment often with little financial or emotional means. It often surprises me that I’ve still got my head above water, but there are no guarantees. Except that God loves and supports us, but we have to be open to him.​

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The misery of non-existence!?
 
tonyrey said:
We are not created in time or space, Tom. Unlike the body our spiritual nature is made in the image of God. It either exists or doesn’t exist! In other words we are entering the realm of the unknowable…
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Can you clarify what you mean a little. Are you saying we do not have a beginning in time?
 
tonyrey said:
God is omniscient but we are not. We cannot possibly know the full extent of what is knowable. It is impossible for God to know what is intrinsically unknowable, not because His knowledge is limited but because it is self-contradictory. For example, God doesn’t know anything about nothing or no one because there is nothing to be known!
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Missed the point Tony…past, present and future…all known…to your god there was never a time when we did not exist in his view. Therefore, he creates with absolute foreknowledge of the outcome. Now, why would a deity with these abilities create people who either do not wish life, or will be doomed by some transgression(s) along the line?
To create for destruction is the definition of illogical.
 
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