#3 would be a decree of nullity, not a divorce. The distinction requires an understanding of the system that had evolved by the 16th century to balance the liturgical requirements of maintaining marriage as a sacrament, with the political necessity of being able to make and dissolve dynastic marriages, as matters of state; the system of impediments, dispensations and annulments. Extremely complicated and very commonplace, at the time, it was considerably reformed by Trent. Henry was doing nothing out of the ordinary.
I think I would use a little more discernment and kindness. The issues are far (far) more complex than that (as any history class would assist in understanding). Also, using that kind of language just leads to name calling. That is a point at which the Catholic Church is vulnerable in terms of similar behavior by some Popes and current scandals.Well, let’s weigh this one, shall we? Church founded by Jesus who is God or by a King corrupted by a power-hungry whore?
I think I’m gonna go with the one God founded…
He is not “incidental to their theology.” He was their first theologist. Anglicans now may not be the same, but come on, where did they come from?History. Deep in history. I love it.I would not want to be Anglican because of that small problem where the founder went nuts and had his wives murdered, one after the other, and looted and burned the monasteries. Just that.
No, he claimed instead to be not only God’s representative on Earth, but the supreme spiritual head of all the Bishops of England. Sounds like he was claiming more than anyone bar the Pope himself.
The Episcopal church can say all they want about the Eucharist and all they say can be correct. But that does not mean that they have valid orders. They do not have valid orders and therefore their “eucharist” is not really Jesus. It is only bread and nothing else.
Hi Sandy,The Episcopal church can say all they want about the Eucharist and all they say can be correct. But that does not mean that they have valid orders. They do not have valid orders and therefore their “eucharist” is not really Jesus. It is only bread and nothing else.
Another thing, a person can believe all they want in the “Real Presence” of Jesus in the Eucharist but if they believe it as they attend an Episcopal church that still does not make it “real.” When they go up to receive communion they are not receiving Jesus. Sorry but that’s the truth.
If you truly want to receive Jesus in the Eucharist come to the Catholic Church and unite with us. There are many people being comfirmed into the Catholic Church this Easter Vigil and I’m so happy for them!
And for those who do not believe in the real presence, please click on the link in my signature “Jesus is the Eucharist.”
That’s not how it works.
Really? And her still alive and all. My, my.
No. Their baptism, as long as done in the Trinitarian formula, is valid.
Only baptism and Matrimony. If an Episcopal couple (both baptized) who got married in their Episcopal church become Catholic, their marriage is automatically blessed and is now considered a Sacrament.
No, and I never will because that would be a mortal sin on my part.
Just because I have never received a sacrament from an Episcopal church does not make me ignorant. I just have to know my own faith in order to know that I cannot receive a sacrament from another church that requires valid orders. If I know I have the real thing why would I go for the fake? That would be dumb on my part. So I choose to receive Jesus in the Eucharist right here in the Church that Jesus established.
You are very kind.Hi GKC!Jesus can’t wait and neither can I! I pray for that day to come soon.
We need great people like you in the Church.
:hug3:No, because lay people and even unbelievers can validly baptize.
Those that lay people and even unbelievers can do (baptism and marriage) are recognized by the Catholic Church.
Because the minister does not have the charism of Holy Orders. He is a lay person dressed up to look like a priest, but he (or she) isn’t actually a priest - he was “ordained” by lay people, who in their turn were also “ordained” by lay people, going back to when King Edward VI changed the wording of the Ordination ceremony to omit those aspects of it that cause the ordained person to actually become a Christian priest.
“Human wisdom” … that’s an oxymoron if I do say so myself. “Human understanding” maybe, or “human knowledge” or “human opinion” perhaps, or maybe even “human intellect,” but “human wisdom?” No such thing. As “wisdom” is only God. But I get what you mean.People! let’s not let our human wisdom take over here, but recognise the Divine intervention and plans of our Mercyfull God. for Him alone knows ALL.
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And yes, God is merciful.I never had any exposure to church life in a Catholic or Anglican context - neither one of those churches were active or present in the area I lived in. So why WOULD I have explored either?
I guess the question is more, why do so now? Since you have already dedicated your life to the Methodists.