Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Dan123 said:
Jesus, as a human, was nailed to the cross as an ape. Ape isn’t a specific species but an entire family of creatures more formally called Hominidae or hominids. So you can say Jesus wasn’t nailed to the cross as a chimpanzee or a bonobo or gorilla but humans certainly fall into the rather broad category of ‘ape’ simply by being large primates without tails, just as we’re primates and mammals and animals higher up the classification tree.
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Evolutionist say humans descended from a common ancestor we share with other modern apes.
 
Nelka said:
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0Scarlett_nidiyilii:
Yes I know…

How does that change anything?

Who is saying humans are the same as apes?
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Evolutionists saying humans came from apes.
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We Christians hold that all of creation came from absolutely nothing. Evolutionary processes are hardly scandalous in that light.
 
Aloysium said:
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Aloysium:
I am limiting God to what is rational, since He is the Truth and Rationality itself. I don’t see how your dismissive reply can advance the pursuit of personal and collective knowledge. You might consider putting forth a vision of how God has brought about this miracle in which we are here engaging, something that resonates in your gut as true, real and irrefutable at least within yourself because you know it.
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This is what mainstream, well accepted science does.
You are limiting God to what is less than rational. That tends toward fideism.
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Is it less rational to speak about the wholeness of a person as being our essential nature? That the material is simply that aspect of that physicalpsychospiritual totality we can observe through the senses and intellectually disect into its components? Is it less rational to look at the world and see the destructive effects of random chemical change? How irrational is it to observe that in the Galapagos we find a plethora of living creatures who fit into their environment and are now being destroyed by ‘natural selection’? Evolutionary theories constitute belief systems, utilizing the science, which taking a step back one finds more and more reveals the direct hand of God in every aspect of His creation, from the complexity of cellular mechanisms that include infinitely complex genetic molecules, to the over-riding structure that is the kind of being that forms any particular organism itself.

You may wish to contemplate if http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06068b.htm may apply to yourself with respect to your belief in evolutionary theory.
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You conflate science and faith.
Scientists don’t “believe in” evolution. It’s science. It’s observation. Experimentation. Deduction.

I don’t believe in evolution, I accept it as mainstream valid science.
I believe in Jesus Christ.
 
Aloysium said:
What these scientific results point to is the great complexity that comprises the material tip of the iceberg that is a living organism, one being in itself, in relation to the world and for us, our Creator. This is not the result of mere random chemical activity, nor do the utilitarian and ultimately destructive activities associated with natural selection begin to explain the diversity we find in nature.
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It just gets worse as the meter keeps pointing to design.
 
goout said:
Who said God created apes in his own image? source please

Did you know that the Catholic Church speaks about evolution? Do you know what has been said?
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I have been showing statements from the last 2000 years. It was well accepted until Darwin’s time. Since then the assault on Scripture and Tradition has been the norm. There is no need to. Scripture and Tradition stand strong.
 
goout said:
And at the same time we get the silly notion that evolution from preexisting material can’t happen.

For beings like us, who created nothing, it smacks of arrogance to tell God how our bodies came to be without employing our God-given reason.
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Which is more fallible?

Divine Revelation?

-or-

Human reason?
 
goout said:
That brain is given to you by God. Using your brain to understand science is a good thing, To tell God he can;t use the processes he reveals to do the things he wills is just arrogant. It’s fideism.
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Properly reasoned science is a great thing.

Do you believe methodological naturalism is employing the full use of human reason?
 
Dan123 said:
Jesus, as a human, was nailed to the cross as an ape. Ape isn’t a specific species but an entire family of creatures more formally called Hominidae or hominids. So you can say Jesus wasn’t nailed to the cross as a chimpanzee or a bonobo or gorilla but humans certainly fall into the rather broad category of ‘ape’ simply by being large primates without tails, just as we’re primates and mammals and animals higher up the classification tree.
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Humans decided on this classification system.
 
goout said:
God is necessary for anything. And God reveals himself for discovery and relationship. That’s what a brain participates in: discovery.
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Methodological naturalism excludes total discovery.
 
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Dan123 said:
Evolutionist say humans descended from a common ancestor we share with other modern apes.
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We Catholics say humans were specially created and all men are descended from this original pair. There are none among us that did not have the stain of original sin.
 
goout said:
Scientists don’t “believe in” evolution. It’s science. It’s observation. Experimentation. Deduction.
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This where you are wrong. It is not empirical science. The study of past one time events is historical science. It cannot be observed, repeated or predicted.

It is therefore philosophy and in many cased religion with blind faith.
 
Correct, what’s your point? We’re still apes so saying Jesus wasn’t an ape would be saying he wasn’t human. It would be like saying Jesus wasn’t bipedal or didn’t have an upright posture. These are qualities man has.
 
A poster commented that God made man in His image, to which you replied, “Which man? Modern homo sapiens, Neanderthals, Homo erectus etc.?” The response was, “Man like us not some bizarre missing link.” Whn you replied, “Bizarre missing link? You need to educate yourself on biological anthropology.” It struck me that the conversation had entered into the realm of the personal at the expense of the argument. One may hold an assumption that the person with whom we are communicating is lacking in education, but stated as a response does nothing more than dismiss the persons argument and adds nothing to either the collective or one’s own individual pursuit of the truth.

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Aloysium:
Because another’s comments do not make sense, does not imply they are lacking in education
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What does it imply?
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From my experience it is the result of a lack of effort on one’s part to understand the other.
 
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