Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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Dan123 said:
I already linked the long term e.coli studies that are up to 60,000 generations.
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You are pulling a rossum on this one.

The Pope meant you cannot go back in time and haul 10,000 of the past generations into the lab. Ecoli is a designed experiment.

In addition, this experiment does not show what you think. Two experiments have shown the rapid adaptation of ecoli to digest citrate in 4 weeks.
 
goout said:
You just have to let it be, and let scientists, many of whom are faithful Catholics, do their job.
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They publish their papers for us to see. We can study and examine them. It actually helps purify science.

They have to withstand scrutiny.
 
So on the one hand the pope complains about not being able to put ten thousand generations in to a lab which is a controlled scientific environment, and then you complain that the ecoli experiments (60,000 generations) are some how invalid because the evidence was obtained from a controlled scientific environment.

I don’t get it. You just can’t win with design theorists.
 
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IWantGod said:
So on the one hand the pope complains about not being about to put ten thousand generations in to a lab which is a controlled scientific environment and then you complain that the ecoli experiments are some how invalid because the evidence was obtained from a controlled scientific environment.

I don’t get it. You just can’t win with design theorists.
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It was just a few generations that this adaptation happened and only 4 weeks.

Why? Because Ecoli already could digest citrate. It just need to be able to do it in aerobic conditions. The bacteria did not evolve to do it they adapted. (micro-evolution)

They are still Ecoli.
 
IWantGod said:
Micro evolution is evolution. It’s the mechanism by which a macro change is n accumulative result.
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Micro evolution is adapatation. That is the evo fallacy. Extrapolate adaptation to sell macro-evolution. Except it doesn’t happen.

No one argues micro-evolution.

And now we know - Natural Selection is a conservative process and has limits.
 
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buffalo said:
And now we know - Natural Selection is a conservative process and has limits
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And you know that how? I mean lets make it simpler, why don’t we find modern animals deep underground? When we do find fossils deep underground, why don’t we find animals with those skeletons today?
 
buffalo said:
No one argues micro-evolution.
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If you don’t argue that biological organisms adapt and therefore change on a biological level, i don’t see how you could have an issue with an accumulative number of changes resulting in a different form.
 
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IWantGod said:
i don’t see how you could have an issue with an accumulative number changes resulting in a different form.
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Because it doesn’t happen. We see limits to these changes. Also, after pressure is removed organism bend back to the mean.

The fossil record shows abrupt appearance, stasis and limited variation within.

These are the facts.
 
There’s an imaginary barrier they reach. Just don’t ask for an explanation of how such a barrier functions.
 
Dan123 said:
And you know that how? I mean lets make it simpler, why don’t we find modern animals deep underground? When we do find fossils deep underground, why don’t we find animals with those skeletons today?
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DId you do some research on the flume experiments and sedimentation?
 
buffalo said:
Because it doesn’t happen.
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You are just telling me it doesn’t happen, and yet you cannot demonstrate to me that all the species of animals today existed when biological organisms first emerged on this planet 3.8 billion years ago.
 
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Okay how? where? is it in DNA? We mapped that so it should be easy to find. Is it in something else? A Nobel prize awaits whoever can demonstrate this barrier.
 
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buffalo:
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Micro evolution is evolution. It’s the mechanism by which a macro change is n accumulative result.
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Just because microevolution is true, does not necessarily mean that macroevolution is true.
 
IWantGod said:
You are just telling me it doesn’t happen, and yet you cannot demonstrate to me that all the species of animals today existed when animals first emerged on this planet 3.8 billion years ago.
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I never claimed they did. I claim the archetypes were created. (abrupt appearance)

Then we see stasis and limited variation. That is exactly what the record shows.

Speciation is man’s definition and usually categorized by a loss of function.
 
Dan123 said:
Okay how? where? is it in DNA? We mapped that so it should be easy to find. Is it in something else? A Nobel prize awaits whoever can demonstrate this barrier.
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DNA holds the information. The language of DNA is where the complex program is. We are just scratching the surface of this immense multilayered and contextual language. Now we see see an addition form as another poster showed yesterday.

Evolution didn’t do this.
 
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