Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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LeafByNiggle said:
Evidence of spontaneous mutations is very easy to obtain. Just run the full DNA sequence of a mother and father, and then run the DNA sequence of a child born to them. You will occasionally find sequences in the DNA of the child that were not in either parent. Those are spontaneous mutations.
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If doing so is easy, cite the paper which shows the experiment and the results you claim.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
The criterion you set for “real” evolution is arbitrary and fluid. Whatever contemporaneous evidence we come up with, you will adjust the border so that “real” evolution is just on the other side of that border, not quite reachable. I see your game.
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The distinction is between micro-evolution and macro-evolution.
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A distinction whose exact definition you will adjust as necessary to avoid having to admit to evolution.
 
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LeafByNiggle:
Evidence of spontaneous mutations is very easy to obtain. Just run the full DNA sequence of a mother and father, and then run the DNA sequence of a child born to them. You will occasionally find sequences in the DNA of the child that were not in either parent. Those are spontaneous mutations.
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If doing so is easy, cite the paper which shows the experiment and the results you claim.
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Spontaneous Mutations are discussed here.
 
Can the book of nature lie? Is it purposeful deceit by God meant to trick us? Or is it our ignorance?

Explosive lies: how volcanoes can lie about their age, and what it means for us

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Techno2000 said:
I would certainly contend that humans could never live for 600 or even 900 years. This is the most obvious symbolic detail of all.
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Genetic entropy shows that we are actually devolving. Working backwards in time it is easy to see that Adam and Eve would have way better genetics allowing them to live so long.

We see an abrupt change after the flood. Something happened that humans thereafter could not live as long.
 
buffalo said:
Can the book of nature lie? Is it purposeful deceit by God meant to trick us? Or is it our ignorance?
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Your link talks about C14 dating. Volcanoes can be dated by many methods, such as Ar-Ar dating. Scientists use different methods to assess the dates of any event, in case one method might be wrong. By cross-checking different methods, errors can be corrected.

When the ICR RATE project looked at the Mount St. Helens eruption they did not use C14 dating, but used K-Ar dating instead.

Essentially your link is not relevant here. Rocks are not carbon dated as they do not contain atmospheric carbon.

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buffalo said:
Micro evolution is variation within, adaptation.
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Again you fail to give us an accurate definition? “within”? Within what? Humans and chimps are both within the mammals. Do you say that common ancestry between human and chimps is micro-evolution?

You need to define your boundary, which separates micro-evolution from macro-evolution. Biology uses the species as the boundary. What do you use?

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“Dogs evolved and we witnessed it.” Dog breeding was practiced before Darwin’s book. Taking what is there and using it a certain way is not evolution. Plant grafting is mentioned in the Bible.
 
buffalo said:
We see an abrupt change after the flood. Something happened that humans thereafter could not live as long.
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I agree. Some early Chinese emperors, well pre-Flood, lived for 18,000 years. The Sumerian king list has kings living for 30,000 or 40,000 years. All those sources are obviously true because they confirm the Bible.

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And your “genetic entropy” would explain the loss of the ability to live an extra 500 years in a single generation? Incredible. Absolutely incredible.

No, humans have never been able to live that long. If you’re going to insist that we have lived for 600, 800, 900 years just to save face, then this conversation is a waste of time
 
buss0042 said:
nd your “genetic entropy” would explain the loss of the ability to live an extra 500 years in a single generation? Incredible. Absolutely incredible.
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The lifespan graphs do not show one generation loss.

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That’s nothing more than a graph placing the told ages of biblical figured. It does not serve as a graph proving real long lives to be true.

So let me restate: what science has ever stated that humans could live for 900 years and now cannot because of “genetic entropy?” (which, by the way, I can only find one author reference to, an individual who is a YEC - not exactly a compelling pool or academia)
 
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Or, it you take a different approach - as sin entered the world and became more and more prevalent, humans’ lives began to degrade from their original sanctity?
 
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