Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true

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edwest211 said:
Thanks again. Blind unguided chance is the worldview being promoted here. It is the wrong way to view creation.
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It seems a few here are not reading the obvious meaning of what Pope Benedict XVI wrote and are trying to squirm away from it. How sad.
 
Pope Benedict is clearly writing about the dangers of extolling the natural philosophy of evolution above the sovereignty of God. It is not a denunciation of the theory, but rather of the way in which some people chose to apply it.

The point is that evolution apart from God is just as empty and meaningless / horrific as all other nihilistic / atheistic explanations for reality.
 
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He clearly delineates the difference between micro and macro.

Then:

"Within this same evolutionist doctrine the problem presents itself on passing from micro- to macro-evolution, a transition on which Szamarthy and Maynard Smith, both supporters of a revised evolutionary theory, also concede: “There are no theoretical reasons for thinking that evolutionary lines increase in complexity through time; there is not even any empirical proof that this happens.”
He and I agree and is consistent what I have been posting.
 
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“Evolutionist Doctrine” is, to my understanding, how Pope Emeritus Benedict references the almost religious faith certain people place in evolution theory. It is once again not a condemnation of the the theory when properly understood within the context of God’s sovereignty.

As for the question of evidence for macro evolution, he’s right, we’ve not found any. At least none that I’m aware of. However, that is not evidence that it is false, given the relative rarity of preservation after death. I mean, there are millions of years of Earth’s lifespan that we have zero information for.

This really isn’t important to the question though, as no matter if macro evolution is real or not, it is all happening under God’s guidance.
 
Exactly. Atheists need Biology textbook evolution to help them out. The Church, however, is God-centered, not man-centered. Here, man is the measure of all things. God? pfft. God is just a word - easily discarded.
 
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edwest211:
Liar, liar, pants on fire? I heard that when I was a boy.
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So you’ve been at it all your life! Bless me.
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I thought you said we couldn’t use the word… “So.” 😄
 
And here is Jerry Coyne of Why Evolution is True fame

“In science’s pecking order, evolutionary biology lurks somewhere near the bottom, far closer to phrenology than to physics. For evolutionary biology is a historical science, laden with history’s inevitable imponderables. We evolutionary biologists cannot generate a Cretaceous Park to observe exactly what killed the dinosaurs; and, unlike “harder” scientists, we usually cannot resolve issues with a simple experiment, such as adding tube A to tube B and noting the color of the mixture.” – Jerry A. Coyne

Seems he can’t haul 10,000 generations into a lab either.
 
and one for edwest211 from Jerry Coyne - even Coyne sees not value in evolution…

“Truth be told, evolution hasn’t yielded many practical or commercial benefits. Yes, bacteria evolve drug resistance, and yes, we must take countermeasures, but beyond that there is not much to say. Evolution cannot help us predict what new vaccines to manufacture because microbes evolve unpredictably. But hasn’t evolution helped guide animal and plant breeding? Not very much. Most improvement in crop plants and animals occurred long before we knew anything about evolution, and came about by people following the genetic principle of ‘like begets like’. Even now, as its practitioners admit, the field of quantitative genetics has been of little value in helping improve varieties. Future advances will almost certainly come from transgenics, which is not based on evolution at all.” Jerry Coyne
 
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“These mysteries about how we evolved should not distract us from the indisputable fact that we did evolve.“ - Jerry Coyne
 
“Now, science cannot completely exclude the possibility of supernatural explanation. It is possible - though very unlikely - that our whole world is controlled by elves.” - Jerry Coyne

Weren’t you say evolutionists say there’s no supernatural? Someone was.
 
“…supernatural explanations always mean the end of inquiry: that’s the way God wants it, end of story. Science, on the other hand, is never satisfied: our studies of the universe will continue until humans go extinct.“ - Jerry Coyne

I’m surprised you like this guys work so much honestly.
 
“Every fossil that we find, every DNA molecule that we sequence, every organ system that we dissect, supports the idea that species evolved from common ancestors. Despite innumerable possible observations that could prove evolution untrue, we don’t have a single one. We don’t find mammals in Precambrian rocks, humans in the same layers as dinosaurs, or any other fossils out of evolutionary order. DNA sequencing supports the evolutionary relationships of species originally deduced from the fossil record. And, as natural selection predicts, we find no species with adaptations that only benefit a different species. We do find dead genes and vestigial organs, incomprehensible under the idea of special creation. Despite a million chances to be wrong, evolution always comes up right. That is as close as we can get to a scientific truth” - Jerry Coyne
 
Dan123 said:
“…supernatural explanations always mean the end of inquiry: that’s the way God wants it, end of story. Science, on the other hand, is never satisfied: our studies of the universe will continue until humans go extinct.“ - Jerry Coyne

I’m surprised you like this guys work so much honestly.
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Jerry Coyne is woefully misinformed if he believes our faith in God somehow causes us to not seek answers. It is the belief in God, the belief that nature and the universe is ordered and knowable, that is the entire foundation of scientific thought. Without that presumption, science could not function. We believe that God made creation knowable, and that it is noble to seek to understanding creation better.

Supernatural explanation is only the end for people who are insecure in their faith, people who mistakenly believe that faith and science are at odds. For all other believers, it merely means that we know there is order which will allow us to actually be able to discern the why of nature.
 
Mr. Coyne. The man the media usually consults for his take on things. Sigh.
 
I don’t get it? Are you suggesting that we should dump the theory of evolution because somebody doesn’t have any practical use for it?

What a bizarre approach to science.
 
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