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rossum
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We can currently detect it by its gravitational effects on the scale of galaxies. The so far unsolved problem is detecting it on a smaller scale using non-gravitational interactions.
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Why you should think that the Natural-Evolution of species is true
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Bradskii
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Still waiting for that example of anyone using evolution to prove that God doesn’t exist.
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MonteRCMS
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Absolutely true.
If you create a hollow sphere with your hands the size of a basketball, that “sphere” is filled with “dark matter” … but we have no idea of how to detect it.
Been trying to do some reading on “free energy”.
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Bradskii
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Tick tock.Tick toc…buffalo:
Still waiting for that example of anyone using evolution to prove that God doesn’t exist.
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Glark
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Not entirely identical - genetic variations and natural selection mean speciation has occurred within a “kind”.
The question is, Can the “evidence” be trusted? After all, it is presented by a cult of athesit scientists who consider Darwin’s “tree of life” to be a indisputable fact, and therefore use evolution as their starting point for reality. The “evidence” then reflects this a priori belief in evolution.
Very strange things can happen when this happens: “And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, THAT THEY SHOULD BELIEVE WHAT IS FALSE” - 2Thess 2:10-11.
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Bradskii
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Whenever anyone is ready…Bradskii:
Tick tock.Tick toc…buffalo:
Still waiting for that example of anyone using evolution to prove that God doesn’t exist.
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rossum
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You are grossly insulting all Catholic and other Christian scientists here. Keith Miller, Francis Collins, Ken Miller and others.
Can you please explain why I would want to follow a God who deliberately deludes people? I would rather follow a God who is not prone to deceiving people.
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Aloysium
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Maybe you’ve recanted, but I remember you as the guy who signed off something like, “The only absolute truth is that there is no absolute truth.” I suppose I might be deluded, but your entire belief system seemed to be that except for matter, it is all illusion. But, it too is illusory in the sense that what we think is not the reality of something in itself, and scientifically speaking the idea is that there is always a greater truth to then be dispelled at a later date. And, that’s the case with evolutionary theories, Ptolemaic equivalents, world-centred rather than God-centred, not much different from astrology with their focus on the material. God sends delusions when we stray because He is the Light who illuminated the world and phantasms are all that exists outside the Truth.
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It was “The Ultimate Truth is that there is no ultimate truth”. Unfortunately the new software doesn’t seem to have a place for a sig.
Not quite. The real world, both material and immaterial, exists. However, our understanding of that world is faulty due to our imperfect senses and our imperfect brains. The illusion is not the real world, it is our imperfect mental model of that world. We ‘see’ water in a mirage, but the water is an illusion. More than most people think of what we ‘see’ is similarly illusory. The point of Buddhist meditation is to help us better distinguish our internal illusions from what is really out there.
We can generate quite enough illusions on our own without having a God increase them. To attain nirvana we need to reduce illusions, not increase them. Why would I want to follow a God who is working to prevent me attaining my goal?
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buffalo
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Are the evo’s ready to concede? 
What I have been saying right along:
Sweeping gene survey reveals new facets of evolution
It is textbook biology, for example, that species with large, far-flung populations—think ants, rats, humans—will become more genetically diverse over time.
But is that true?
“The answer is no,” said Stoeckle, lead author of the study, published in the journal Human Evolution.
For the planet’s 7.6 billion people, 500 million house sparrows, or 100,000 sandpipers, genetic diversity “is about the same,” he told AFP.
The study’s most startling result, perhaps, is that nine out of 10 species on Earth today, including humans, came into being 100,000 to 200,000 years ago.
“This conclusion is very surprising, and I fought against it as hard as I could,” Thaler told AFP.
That reaction is understandable: How does one explain the fact that 90 percent of animal life, genetically speaking, is roughly the same age? ( we know the answer here at CAF)
In analysing the barcodes across 100,000 species, the researchers found a telltale sign showing that almost all the animals emerged about the same time as humans.
And yet—another unexpected finding from the study—species have very clear genetic boundaries, and there’s nothing much in between.
“If individuals are stars, then species are galaxies,” said Thaler. “They are compact clusters in the vastness of empty sequence space.”
The absence of “in-between” species is something that also perplexed Darwin, he said.
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Sweeping gene survey reveals new facets of evolution
Who would have suspected that a handheld genetic test used to unmask sushi bars pawning off tilapia for tuna could deliver deep insights into evolution, including how new species emerge?
What I have been saying right along:
Sweeping gene survey reveals new facets of evolution
It is textbook biology, for example, that species with large, far-flung populations—think ants, rats, humans—will become more genetically diverse over time.
But is that true?
“The answer is no,” said Stoeckle, lead author of the study, published in the journal Human Evolution.
For the planet’s 7.6 billion people, 500 million house sparrows, or 100,000 sandpipers, genetic diversity “is about the same,” he told AFP.
The study’s most startling result, perhaps, is that nine out of 10 species on Earth today, including humans, came into being 100,000 to 200,000 years ago.
“This conclusion is very surprising, and I fought against it as hard as I could,” Thaler told AFP.
That reaction is understandable: How does one explain the fact that 90 percent of animal life, genetically speaking, is roughly the same age? ( we know the answer here at CAF)
In analysing the barcodes across 100,000 species, the researchers found a telltale sign showing that almost all the animals emerged about the same time as humans.
And yet—another unexpected finding from the study—species have very clear genetic boundaries, and there’s nothing much in between.
“If individuals are stars, then species are galaxies,” said Thaler. “They are compact clusters in the vastness of empty sequence space.”
The absence of “in-between” species is something that also perplexed Darwin, he said.
phys.org
Sweeping gene survey reveals new facets of evolution
Who would have suspected that a handheld genetic test used to unmask sushi bars pawning off tilapia for tuna could deliver deep insights into evolution, including how new species emerge?
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Dan123
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See you seem to think learning something new invalidates everything else. Your cited text explicitly says it reveals new facets of evolution, not that evolution is somehow disproven.
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Techno2000
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And yet—another unexpected finding from the study—species have very clear genetic boundaries, and there’s nothing much in between.
“If individuals are stars, then species are galaxies,” said Thaler. “They are compact clusters in the vastness of empty sequence space.”
The absence of “in-between” species is something that also perplexed Darwin, he said.
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Hugh_Farey
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Rather than the brief resumé in the popular press, I recommend you all read the original article at https://phe.rockefeller.edu/news/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Stoeckle-Thaler-Final-reduced.pdf. What really astonished the researchers was not how their findings overthrew evolutionary ideas, but how clearly they established them. For years, evolutionists have wanted real evidence to determine whether speciation was progressive or distinct, as some models seemed to point to one and some to the other, and it was not possible to tell whether observations of particular species, such as ring-species and hybrids, were the rule or the exception. Similarly, it has not been easy to say whether genetic drift really altere species from one to another, as morphological changes sometimes seemed extremely slow. This study reveals that it does exactly that, such that the vast majority of species seem to change over periods of hundreds of thousands, rather than millions, of years.
The “clear genetic boundaries” and the “100,000 to 200,000 years ago” is not a perplexing overthrow of evolutionary theories, it is a very surprising clarification of them. Marvellous stuff.
The “clear genetic boundaries” and the “100,000 to 200,000 years ago” is not a perplexing overthrow of evolutionary theories, it is a very surprising clarification of them. Marvellous stuff.
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buffalo
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One has to wonder why he fought so hard against it…
“This conclusion is very surprising, and I fought against it as hard as I could,” Thaler told AFP.
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Dan123
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Surely if he said “and we didn’t do much to double check our work, we just assumed it was correct from the start” you’d be quoting that as a reason to doubt the findings.
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buffalo
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The paper is confirming stasis, no transitionals, and bending back to the mean.
Let’s see if this holds up. If it does, there will have to be a rewrite.
It seems there may have been an event - he thinks around 200K years ago.
Let’s see if this holds up. If it does, there will have to be a rewrite.
It seems there may have been an event - he thinks around 200K years ago.
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Censoring the Darwin Skeptics: How Belief in Evolution Is Enforced by Eliminating Dissidents
his is the third volume of a trilogy that has been more than a decade in the making. The trilogy documents over 100 cases of discrimination handed out to individuals (60 of whom were PhDs) who dared to challenge Darwinian concepts within many venues of science and academia. For those who think this type of discrimination is minor or inconsequential, you should examine this work. This type of discrimination is not rare by any means in America, but has been constantly on the rise for decades. It represents nothing less than the brutal violation of freedom of speech, thought, and religious freedom for those who are qualified to practice in their field. Over and over again the clear pattern emerges from the pages of this trilogy - you are at high risk of career termination if you dare question much less oppose evolutionary concepts.
https://www.amazon.com/Censoring-Darwin-Skeptics-Eliminating-Dissidents/dp/0981873421/ref=sr_1_1
his is the third volume of a trilogy that has been more than a decade in the making. The trilogy documents over 100 cases of discrimination handed out to individuals (60 of whom were PhDs) who dared to challenge Darwinian concepts within many venues of science and academia. For those who think this type of discrimination is minor or inconsequential, you should examine this work. This type of discrimination is not rare by any means in America, but has been constantly on the rise for decades. It represents nothing less than the brutal violation of freedom of speech, thought, and religious freedom for those who are qualified to practice in their field. Over and over again the clear pattern emerges from the pages of this trilogy - you are at high risk of career termination if you dare question much less oppose evolutionary concepts.
https://www.amazon.com/Censoring-Darwin-Skeptics-Eliminating-Dissidents/dp/0981873421/ref=sr_1_1
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Servant31
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There is some vitriol going on in this debate people let’s keep it civil. As someone with a science degree and yet not a practicing “scientist” I’m reminded of my school days. What is interesting to me almost universally is the fuzzing of the line between scientific theory, opinion, and fact, in science and academia. A man who died, met Jesus, came back and converted to Christianity and became a pastor stated “The laws of physics are different there,”. I’m paraphrasing and by “there” I believe he was referencing heaven. God created an ordered world for all of us to live and, hopefully, grow in. Why wouldn’t he intervene in natural events if it suited His purposes. It doesn’t preclude natural evolution. Neither does it preclude “creationism.” Who are we to arbitrarily decide how God made it work. The human mind has sought to bring order through rationality as long as we have been able, and yet our rationality isn’t perfect and, at worst, doesn’t include the supernatural. Science is a great thing but it’s not a complete view, limited in many ways. I can give more references but I can only type so much.
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Glark
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Well, it’s a very mysterious Scripture, but my understanding of it (for what it’s worth) goes something like this: Some souls, due their wilful rejection of their Creator, are destined for hell. God knows who they are and once their eternal fate is sealed, He chooses to use these “vessels of wrath made for destruction” (Romans 9:22) as He pleases - just as when He “hardened the heart” of Pharaoh in Egypt in the days of Moses. “So then (God) has mercy upon whomsoever he wills, and he hardens the heart of whomever he wills” - Romans 9:18.
There is also a school of thought that says the delusion doesn’t come directly from God, but God allows Satan to worsen the deception which is already at work in these individuals.
The Ignatius Catholic Study Bible says, “God does not hold back his judgement on sin until the end of history but manifests it throughout history as well (Ps 81:12, Acts 7:42). One severe form of judgement is for God to allow recalcitrant sinners to continue in their sin … In effect, God says to them ‘Have it your own way.’” (p.258-259).
The delusion God sends the damned is simply more of the world of delusion they have already chosen to live in. Since these “men loved darkness rather than light” (John 3:19) and do not have a “love of the truth”, God sends them more of what they prefer - the darkness of falsehoods, lies and nonsense.
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Glark
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The vitriol comes from the evolutionists, I’ve noticed. It is the bad fruit of pride and arrogance.
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